"whisky-dave" wrote in message
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On Wednesday, 2 May 2018 14:07:53 UTC+1, dennis@home wrote:
On 02/05/2018 13:33, whisky-dave wrote:
On Wednesday, 2 May 2018 12:18:02 UTC+1, dennis@home wrote:
On 02/05/2018 11:09, Andrew wrote:
On 02/05/2018 09:44, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 02/05/18 09:28, Nightjar wrote:
Asthma is certainly something that I don't recall anybody I
knew as a child having, which I doubt would be the case
today.

At least 4 people in my class at primary school had it and 3-4
in my secondary school, as did I.

We didnt advertise the fact tho.



They tend to grow out of it. The point is, how many of the 14,500
centenarians had serious illnesses or accidents during their
lives before the nanny state NHS ?. These are the ones who
inherited a good set of genes and a fair dose of lady luck.

Isn't that the whole point?

Distorted stats yes.

They developed immunity as a result of exposure to stuff that
modern children aren't exposed to.

No they didn't or there's little proof. Few children had serious
illnesses or accidents from the mines in later life because they died
early and few records were kept.

Irrelevant unless you are claiming those with asthma were more likely to
die in a mine accident.

I'm claiming that those with asthma or any other such
problem might die long before they get to see a doctor
for asthma to be recorded especailly 50+ years ago.

Problem with that line is that I dont recall any kids
I knew dying at all, from anything, 50+ years ago.

Likewise serious illness as you are looking at the past history
of those that survived not those that died from other causes.

That is partly the problem isn't it.
How many of those that died at dunkirk might have
lived and had asthma, we'll never really know.

Asthma isnt something that shows up in those after that age.

And before WW1, the percentage of the population dying in
the UK in wars in say the century before WW1 was much lower.

You have about as much understanding as smokers do.. you can look
at a population and see that lots of the people that suffer from heart
disease smoke so its very likely that smoking causes heart disease but
you say well look they are 90 and smoke and dont have heart disease
so it can't be true. Based totally on your limited views.

I'm not limiting my views, you've limited yours.

I'm saying thres no way of knowing whether an adult would
get asthma in later life if they died down the pits or at war.

Asthma isnt something you get in later life.

How many of those that died during the black plague had asthma ?

Their immune system learnt to attack the bad stuff rather than the
person so they haven't developed as many illnesses caused by faulty
immune systems.

How many kids then were pushed along in buggies along congested roads
with cars and lorries spewing out all sorts of crap, 100 years ago
there weren't many cars on the road or buses or lorries. So little CO
far less CO2 and virtually no nitrous oxide or platinium from
catolitic converters.

Yes and?

So is it a good thing or a bad thing having kids/babies/teenagers/young
-adults/middle-aged/OAP/really crumpty old ****ers100+ breathing in
car fumes if as you say it might in the furter protect them from asthma ?

Yes, you do have a valid point that modern kids are exposed to quite
a bit of that sort of thing that the boomer kids weren't exposed to.

But the boomer kids in london were exposed to a
lot more smog from coal used to heat houses too.

But that doesnt explain why we see a lot more kids with
asthma here than we used to with the boomer kids.

I wonder how they are with arthritis as that is frequently caused
by an over zealous immune system.

IS it ?, it's not quite a simple as you seem to think.

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/7621.php