On Sun, 29 Apr 2018 16:21:23 +0100, trader_4 wrote:

On Sunday, April 29, 2018 at 9:38:39 AM UTC-4, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:
On Sat, 28 Apr 2018 21:45:13 +0100, wrote:

On Sat, 28 Apr 2018 19:10:48 +0100, "Jimmy Wilkinson Knife"
wrote:

On Fri, 27 Apr 2018 16:58:26 +0100, trader_4 wrote:

On Friday, April 27, 2018 at 11:39:03 AM UTC-4, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:
On Thu, 26 Apr 2018 15:38:53 +0100, trader_4 wrote:

On Thursday, April 26, 2018 at 10:22:01 AM UTC-4, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:
On Thu, 26 Apr 2018 05:18:18 +0100, Clare Snyder wrote:

On Wed, 25 Apr 2018 20:51:19 -0600, rbowman
wrote:

On 04/25/2018 11:51 AM, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:
On Tue, 24 Apr 2018 04:08:51 +0100, Bob wrote:

On 4/23/2018 11:18 AM, Clare Snyder wrote:
One sepentine belt and tensioner -$150

Obviously you do your own repairs. Good for you but if you don't have
your own shop and a decent set of tools, the economics change
drastically.

Back when I used to have one of those ****ing engines that would
self-destruct when the timing belt broke, the cost to replace the belt
(parts and labor) was very near $900...and I could never find a
competent shop to do it cheaper. And the damn belts
had to be changed every 60,000 miles.

Are you saying snapped timing belts is no longer a problem? I thought
most modern engines hated a snapped belt (they're called "interference
engines").

My engine doesn't have a belt.


More and more are going to chains again, and non-interference
engines are also becoming more common.

Chains don't last forever either - I used to change quite a few
timing chains on inline 6 and V8 engines - and LONG before 100,000
miles. Quite a few before 60,000

Mitsubishi 2600 4 cyls (used by Chrysler for years) had 0ver 6 feet
of chain in them and they were notorious for dropping the chain that
drove the balance shafts and the oil pump - letting the engine
continue to run with no oil pressure and self destruct.

Anything that can break an engine (including overheating which none seem to have protection for) should cut the fuel immediately with a sensor. Basic obvious design. How stupid are people who design cars?

I see, so we should have a sensor that will detect a broken timing chain
and stop the engine, which is running at 3000 RPMs, in time so that the
piston won't hit a valve. You should work on that.

It should know it's on it's way out, or perhaps they should install a chain that lasts the life of the car instead of a piece of **** that needs replacing all the time?

Chains generally do last the lifetime of the car. I've never had to replace
one. I've had cars go 220K miles with no timing chain problems. And you
claim that the lifetime of a car is just 130K miles. But then you don't
do routine maintenance, you never change the oil, you think maybe that has
something to do with the timing chains wearing out?

AFAIK all my cars have had timing belts. I've never changed one, as the cost of having it done is a large proportion of the value of the car at that age. But I've heard of many many people saying their belt snapped and it would have cost £2K-£3K to fix it.

If your belt breaks on a non-interferance engine, you are just stuck
on the side of the road,. If it breaks in an interference engine, you
might as well take the tags off and burn the car. The engine is trash.
Typically the interference engines are the ones they try to squeeze
extra performance out of. My old Pontiac Sunbird broke several belts
because of a manufacturing problem and GM just kept replacing them
without fixing the real problem. I finally figured out what was going
on and made them fix it.

When I did a google search, I was told that most engines are interference nowadays.

We do have sensors and warning lights and messages for many of the
serious, common things, eg over temp, low oil pressure, low oil level.
They work for me.

I've yet to see a car that does anything with over temperature except expecting you to notice the guage is higher.

Most cars today have no temp gauge. If the temp gets too high, the
CEL comes on together with a warning message about temp.

You must be one of those morons that buys cars new enough to have excessive depreciation. Thankyou for making 2nd hand cars cheaper....

The question remains though, why were cars not always made like this? They've always had oil warning lights, but over-temperature is ****ing important and deserves a warning light.

But then you're the guy who says you never change
the oil, only add oil when it's half empty, etc. Serious people who
contemplate such things also weigh the issue of disabling a car because
it's gone over temperature, versus letting you continue to drive it,
at your own risk, if you happen to be in a tunnel, fleeing a fire,
or driving through a high crime area.

If the oil isn't running smoothly, I expect a warning light. Flow sensor? Pretty easy.

Nuff said there about your knowledge and practices.

What do you think makes the oil warning light come on?

A flow sensor.

Wrong again. It's a pressure sensor.

Which equates to the same thing. Insufficient flow makes less pressure. The idea is to tell if it's pumping through ok. Faulty pump, blocked filter, or lack of oil, and the warning light comes on.

Some cars also have oil level
sensors. You really should just give up.

That's just for advanced warning. Mine checks it every time I start he engine.

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