On 29/04/2018 11:25, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Fredxx wrote:
You seem to forget the real reasons such as a shortage of housing,
stagnation of wages being propped up by the minimum wage and a lack of
infrastructure to match the level of immigration.

And non of those much to do with the EU. Immigration from outside the EU
has never been tightly controlled either.

And it is nothing to do with the EU how many houses we build, what wages
are paid, and what infrastructure is provided. Just very convenient to
blame the EU, when the fault lies with the UK government.

Whilst I agree it is the largely the fault of 3 sets of governments,
there was no other solution. None of the governments has put in place
policies to cope with change.

OK. So if big business persuades the government of the day it needs this
supply of 'cheap' labour via immigrants, are you saying they will stick to
their promise of reducing immigration substantially? History says
different. Every recent government has promised to reduce immigration in
response to the demands from some of the public, then do virtually zero.

And Brexit is the consequence of failed promises.

Trying to re-patriate a few thousand so called illegals would only be a
drop in the ocean.

I do take issue with wages. They have stagnated due to immigration. You
can deny this as much as you like, but only now are businesses
complaining of potential shortages, which is a recipe for increased
wages in the future.

The main reason for stagnant wages is the lack of effective unions. You
only have to look at those areas which still have effective unions to
prove the point. And it really does bring a wry smile to my face - all
these right wingers blaming low wages on immigration when it is *exactly*
what they want to maintain. Immigration or not.

Nonsense, if anything strong unions push manufacture and processes
abroad and stem investment.

What pushes up wages is demand in labour. Simple supply and demand. Not
overnight, all things take time.

Things are moving in the right direction for those who work. For those
who don't, well, they make little contribution to the nation's wealth.

Odd that pensioners have been well protected from this wages cut in real
terms. Perhaps you think they contribute to the nation's wealth?

Agreed, the power of pensioners who are more likely to vote. I would be
happy to remove the ratchet with wages and inflation.