On Thu, 8 Feb 2018 16:08:49 -0700, Bob La Londe
wrote:

On 2/8/2018 1:19 PM, Leon Fisk wrote:
On Thu, 8 Feb 2018 11:52:12 -0700
Bob La Londe wrote:

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So I keep looking for alternatives. I never had issues like this with
Enco. In fact I never did much business with MSC until they assimilated
Enco.

Have you looked, compared prices from Wholesale Tool?

I placed an order there years ago for a few odd items. They had decent
prices, came the next day via UPS. Not surprising, came from the
Detroit location. But I've had other places just take there sweet time
getting the order picked and onto the shipping dock...

http://tool.wttool.com/nav/cat2/Grease,Oil&Lubricants/0

I see they have way oil, don't know if it's a good deal or not. Not
something I buy. I just use chainsaw bar oil when needed. Mostly as a
rust preventative. If I had more, pricey equipment I might reconsider

They send emails out from time to time with percent off specials. If
you want I can give you a heads up next time I get one.


Yeah, I wouldn't mind seeing their specials and sales fliers. Their
regular pricing is just ho hum.
Greetings Bob,
I have been finding more and more of the supplies I need for my shop
from Amazon. Cutting tools included. Since I use Amazon Prime the
shipping is great. Almost always free and I get stuff in two days.
Since I'm on an island next day air means sometime after 5:00 pm the
next day. UPS next day comes on different trucks thanthe regular
stuff. So the next day for me really isn't useful. But Amazon usually
uses the mail. And it comes earlier. And I get stuff on Sundays. In
the mail. Sundays! And the MSC web site sucks. It is really slow.
Since MSC gobbled up ENCO, J & L, and several other competitors
their pricing and service have suffered. So I look for stuff I need
soon on Amazon and for stuff I don't need in a hurry on eBay.
The last straw for me was when I ordered some ER collets from MSC.
Some German brand. They were supposed to be quite accurate. When they
arrived the packaging looked an awful lot like some packaging a friend
of mine recieved when he bought some Chinese ER collets on eBay. It
turned out that the "German" ER collets were no longer being made in
Germany but were being made in China. So I checked the runout of my ER
collets to my friend's ER colets and they were showing the same
amount. The quality was not as good as they used to be. So paying the
high MSC prices was not OK. Paying the eBay prices was OK because they
were a fifth of the price.
MSC did not mention that the ER collets were from China, just that
they were imported. But I expected a German company brand product to
be imported.
So I'm pretty much done with MSC. I get my way oil from a local
supplier as well as my coolant. The way oil is NOT Vactra. I stopped
using Vactra years ago when it clogged up the way lube system on my
Bridgeport mill. I switched to some stuff called "Hydroclear". It is
now called TCS Slideway Lubricant. Made be Phillips 66. Still the same
stuff though. It doesn't slowly clog the filters in the way lube
systems on my machines and resists washdown from coolant way better
than Vactra. It doesn't pollute the coolant as bad either.
Eric