On Thu, 8 Feb 2018 03:51:58 -0800 (PST), whisky-dave
wrote:

On Wednesday, 7 February 2018 22:23:54 UTC, Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp wrote:
On Wed, 7 Feb 2018 09:06:45 -0800 (PST), whisky-dave
wrote:

On Wednesday, 7 February 2018 16:42:31 UTC, Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp wrote:
On Wed, 7 Feb 2018 08:26:38 -0800 (PST), whisky-dave
wrote:


But new stuff yuo assume is OK if suplpied by a compented retail outlet.
But picking up a drill off a building site you can't be a sure it'll be OK.
A user can do some checks for themselves.


Oh dear, I had to come back on that one :-)

I'll ask the spotty entity at Argos about the insulation class of my
next TV

Argos has to sell stuff that is electrically safe amonst other things.
If something is unsafe they have to stop selling it.

They are not an authourity.

They don't have to be, they just have to obay consumer law regarding selling stuff to the general public.

They do not know what they are selling when it comes to technical/
legal requirements.

'They' do.

Or at least those I have interacted with don't.

I doubt you've ever spoken to argos, you might have spoken to an assistant at the store who have to follow the rules argos set out in their employment contract.

No, I followed their website links and went to the head office, I am
not stupid, I am fully aware that anyone on the end of a phone line or
working behind the counter is not likely to have a clue about the
product range.

Should I have felt strongly about the problem or if I thought the
public were at serious risk, then I would have persued the problem all
the way up.


I think you expect too much of a retailer. Professionally I have had
to inform companies that their products were not up to spec and these
ranged from switches to EX rated barrier assemblies through to
calibration data. All these were supplied by Internationally known
manufacturers who were specialists in their field.

All the points raised were serious quality or safety issues.

If errors from these people can hit the market, then I would not have
too much faith in Argos acting as a "gateway" for goods.




Users must inspect items themselves.

They donl't have to by law.

No, but try getting a payout from an insurance company if the plug top
was off.

Why should they get an insurance pay off just because the plug top is off ?

They wont. Thats why inspection is needed.


And if you passed the faulty appliance on....................

Yes depending on who you are and the situation would be looked into.


They may not have an Electrical
PHD or even a brain cell to spare after the basic life functional
needs are met, but they have a responsibility to themselves and
others.

Only to a certain level and then it's only knowingly doing something wrong would be a problem.

Knowingly? The big let out. If knowingly was an excuse for not
following legal or safety practices, we may as well rip the rule books
up.

No the rule books will account for that. Try sticking your penis in an angle grinder and then claim it's not safe what pay off would you expect ?


If there was no guard fitted to the angle grinder, or an employer
issued it to someone untrained in it's use there could well be
repercussions. The employer would without question be liable.

Likewise supplying a grinder to someone with mental problems would not
be a good idea.

It certainly isn't taking reasonable care.

If said penis was chopped off as opposed to eroded slightly, it would
be recordable.

AB