On 29/01/2018 13:11, Jethro_uk wrote:
Benefit fraud: £1.2 billion (DWPs own figure)

Which everyone knows is DETECTED fraud, usually as a result
of someone phoning the hotline, and not because the DWP and
all the other useless penpushers have done their job properly.

The real figure could well be many times that amount, and
probably is, if you are a typical example of the Britains
endemic 'entitlement' culture. Are you claiming all these
benefits because you actually *need* them, or simply because there
is a juicy loophole and you can ?. If so you are no better than
our MPs and local councillors who grab every penny they can.

Are you now saying that Benefit fraud is socially and economically
acceptable while (much exagerated) tax fraud is not ?. Trying to
justify your position based on nonsense figures from the Grundian
and the Inde, (all the usual suspects) won't help.

The so-called tax fraud amounts that Grady, Corbyn and that lot
regularly bandy about have been done to death by numerous commentators
on the TV and radio and the figures are wildly exagerated.

I once met a couple of not-very-old people at an RSPB cafe who were
enjoying their retirement with their two gold-plated public service
pensions. He was ex-fire chief retired well before 60, and she was
a teacher, and very clearly left-wing and made the mistake of mentioning
the original £120 Billion 'tax evasion', and then threw in all the names
of the Coffee shops. 'Starbucks, Costa, ..' I stoppped her at that point
and asked if she knew who Costa were ?. 'Oh its one of those multi-
nationals who send their profits abroad'.

Except that Costa are wholly owned by Whitbread PLC, who employ a lot
of people in Costa, Premier Inns, and other leasure outlets and pay
all their NI and corporation tax in the UK. This didn't cut the mustard
with ex-teacher, she just carried on banging on and on about all those
dreadful tax-evaders.