He who is rickman said on Thu, 4 Jan 2018 14:57:04 -0500:
This isn't my first rodeo. I've seen a number of ham groups destroyed by
this sort of behavior.
Hi rickman,
I too have been on Usenet since the early days, so we've seen groups
utterly devastated by this cancer, such as what happened he
http://tinyurl.com/alt-free-newsservers
And yet, not to the (somewhat) related newsgroup:
http://tinyurl.com/news-software-readers
In many cases over the decades where we both have seen a newsgroup fall
into the cesspool, it's only a *handful* of viciously angry posters who
ruin the newsgroup for everyone else who is just trying to learn from the
immense tribal knowledge of all the members of the group, as a whole.
I don't know, offhand, whether you come from the android side or from the
electronics side (where I love Jeff Liebermann, who lives near me, but
we've yet to meet fact to face), so I apologize for the behavior of the
folks whom I call Apple Apologists (after having dealt with them for years
and trying to figure out why they act the strange way that they do).
Of the Apple Apologists you're dealing with, here's a characterization:
1. nospam - by far - the most clever and most knowledgeable of them all
2. Jolly Roger - nonsensically consumed by his own vitriol and rage
3. BKonRamp - if you find him ever adding value - I'll send you money!
4. Savageduck - he is knowledgeable (hence useful) on digital photography
but he hates iOS facts as much as the others - so he's unreasonable but
still very useful because he's expert at digital photography
REFERENCE:
http://tinyurl.com/rec-photo-digital
Overall, they're useful, where, in my killfile, even after two decades on
Usenet, is only Snit (whom you haven't experienced yet, I think), who is a
*perfect* example of an Apple Apologists - in that he even created a public
video attempting to "refute" my facts (which are always correct since
they're all validated by references), which he trolled incessantly over 400
times, where even I had to plonk him.
You really need to listen to the first minute of this video before I tell
you the key facts about these Apple Apologists (who are not normal people):
Title: iOS showing Wi-Fi over time
URL: https://youtu.be/7QaABa6DFIo
Once you listen to the first minute of that video, you then need to know
that the Apple Apologists here (nospam, Jolly Roger, BK, etc.) all *agreed*
with him, numerous times.
It's a fact iOS devices can't even graph Wi-Fi signal strength over time
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/PZuec56EWB0%5B26-50%5D
For example, here's a direct quote from "nospam" on the facts I presented:
"Harry can't back anything he says, mostly because it's false.
what's even worse, he continues with his bogus claims after being
proven wrong with actual facts (not the ones in his delusional head)."
Notice how the Apple Apologists (who are not normal adults), claim to have
facts, and they claim to have been providing proof all along, and they do
it in such as self-serving way that you have to wonder if they actually
*believe* a single word they utter (they're that different from normal
people!)...
But get this - none of them, even after all that vitriol, know the
difference between a megabit and a decibel!
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/PZuec56EWB0/BK4Vtbg9BwAJ
Yup. They whole time they've been just blatantly *fabricating* non-existent
iOS functionality. Why? They hate the bearer of facts!
Here's how I tried to respond to the Apple Apologists (with facsts):
"One look at the graph it outputs proves that it's just a speedtest app.
http://wetakepic.com/images/2017/10/11/wifi_sweetspots.jpg
The Apple Apologists insist it's a wifi signal strength app.
Why when it's a fact iOS apps can't graph wifi signal strength over time?
Meanwhile, the Android Fritz app clearly show Y-axis decibels (not Mbps).
http://wetakepic.com/images/2017/10/11/fritzapp.jpg
As does the Android WiFi Analyzer app wifi signal strength timeline:
http://wetakepic.com/images/2017/10/11/wifianalyzer.jpg
The problem here, which I've noticed over the decades happens in spades in
the Apple-related newsgroups, is that there is a clan of people who
viciously hate the bearers of facts that they just don't like.
What is wrong with the Apple Apologists that they deny even what Apple admitted?
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/fyL1cQUVCp0
So they react by *fabricating* functionality and then arguing for a billion
posts that what they claim exists, actually exists (when, in fact, it does
not). Just look at this thread, initiated by Jolly Roger himself:
Apple Is Being Slandered For What Chemistry Cannot Fix
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/zM-uvnUrSCk
Any thread that deals with facts on the iOS newsgroups that the
iOS apologists don't like, follows this same formula.
1. Someone states a valid fact about Apple that they don't like.
2. They deny the fact - almost always with childishly idiotic "logic"
3. More facts are provided in response to the fake denials
4. That incenses them so much they resort to vicious insults (JR)
5. Or they resort to extremely clever semantic contortions (nospam)
6. Or, they simply say that every fact is wrong (Savageduck)
7. And they pile on and high-five and support each other (JKonRamp)
Any casual reader of the thread gives up reading because of the cancer
above (which is exactly their goal).
It happens every time.
Just watch.
Why do the Apple Apologists deny facts & habitually fabricate imaginary content?
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/eRTC23FyVDY
That's the kind of people you're dealing with.
Years ago, I termed them "Apple Apologists"; but you can term them whatever
you think is appropriate.
They are not like normal adults in that viciously and repeatedly attack the
bearer of truthful facts they don't like.