On Friday, December 8, 2017 at 1:18:38 PM UTC-5, micky wrote:
In alt.home.repair, on Fri, 8 Dec 2017 07:55:39 -0800 (PST), trader_4
wrote:

On Friday, December 8, 2017 at 6:37:50 AM UTC-5, micky wrote:
OT What was wrong with Trent Franks asking his staff members if they
would be maternal surrogates? That is, if she would handle the
pregnancy for him and his wife?

All they have to do is say no. Surely no one would expect to be fired
for saying no, any more than if he asked to borrow a million dollars. In
fact since there were two of them, we can check with the first one and
see if she was demoted or fired. And I've never heard of forcible
surrogacy.

And while it is called "sexual reproduction", there would be nothing
normally called a sex act involved.

He said that he was used to the topic and forgot that not everyone is.

And I can see that. Like a doctor who might think nothing of discussing
a bursting puss-filled something with a non-medical type, even at the
dinner table. So I can almost figure how one or even two employees
would be flustered if he brought it up. I think they're stupid for not
getting over it in an hour, or at most a day or two.

But what I don't get is the others in Congress not being able to see


Is this some sort of Puritan nonsense?

I thought similar. I think it's a bad idea to be asking people who
work for you to be a surrogate. It is bizarre and I can see it leading
to all kinds of potential problems, particularly if they said yes.

You're right, but otoh, he knew them and, I presume, knew they had good
health habits, and he also knew how little he was paying them, and
maybe he intended to have her quit (and work somewhere else part of of
the 9months) and make more money in total when you add in what he was
paying.

We havent' heard if he ever did this and if he ever got a child. Wikip
says he's 60 and has 2 children but no details.

A friend of a friend I met had a wife who couldn't have a child, or
something like that, and they said they couldn't find a doctor to do
artificial insemination, so they did it themselves, collecting the semen
and pouring it in her with a turkey baster, and it worked the first
time. By the time I met them, the kid was a year or two old and all 5
were happy with the plan.

But on the other hand, I don't see how in the world this turns into
some kind of horrific scandal that requires him to resign. It's
possible there is a lot more there which we don't know about.

This whole thing is very sketchy, as to what is sexual assault, where
something goes from making a pass once at someone at work, to where it
really is a hostile work environment. And people who may have done
something wrong at some point are now kind of bucketed together with
Bill Cosby and Weinstein. When the first allegations against Franken
came out, I thought what he did wasn't something that warranted his
resignation. That pic of him staging for the camera, clearly pretending
to grab the actress's tits, when he was a comedian, wasn't any kind of
real assault. Yet people
went after him like it was the same as what Weinstein had done. AT that
point I thought it was very unfair to Franken. As
more accusations came forward though, including ones that were while
he was a Senator, then it evolved into something serious. Franken
had a very good point in his resignation speech. How ironic it is
that Franken is resigning, while Trump who bragged about his assaults
on video tape is in the WH? And Moore, who has so many identical
accusations against him that show a pattern of a 35 year old man
at the very least chasing after teenagers, that it's impossible to

One I hadn't heard of before is that Moore tried to** pick up a 14-year
old who was waiting in the courthouse while her mother was at a custody
hearing.

**I didn't hear the exact verb. I don't know how much success he had.

And while there are a few 14y.o.s who look older, most look just as
young as they are.


IDK how you missed that one. It was the first one that started the whole thing. The rest told similar stories, that Moore was chasing them when they were teens and he was in his 30s. Plus others who say they knew of his chasing them at the mall, etc.