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"pamela" wrote in message
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On 21:30 1 Oct 2017, Steve Walker wrote:


And the fact that the EU would make it as didicult as possible,
so as to discourage others leaving, shows exactly why we need to
leave.

For the most part, the EU was mutually beneficial for those who
were in it. If the UK chooses to leave then it can not complain
that it is missing out on the advantages of being a member.

the point is that the EU and the UK DO have a trading relationship

that trading relationship WILL continue once we have left

and FTAOD, it will, be the largest trading partner outside the EU that the
EU have.

That isnt even true now compared with china.

and in order to make that as easy as possible for EVERYONE we need to sit
around the table and discuss the agreements for doing so

Nope, just trade under the WTO rules, like all of the USA, Japan,
Korea, India, Australia, NZ etc etc etc all do with the EU right now.

But they seem to think that they don't need to do that.

Because they don't, particularly when they want to
discourage any others countrys already in the EU
from leaving because that makes the EU look bad.

And the only reasons that I can see why anyone would be so STUPID is
because they think that by doing this we will crawl back and ask to stay
in

The other obvious reason is to discourage any other country from leaving.

(when the will stiff us again by saying "only if you lose all your opt
outs)

I doubt they would be that stupid if Britain changed its mind on leaving.

No deal is as bad for them as it is for us.

Its not bad at all. Trading under the WTO rules works fine
for all of USA, Japan, Korea, India, Australia, NZ etc etc etc.

Sure, a free trade deal would be better,
which is why there are all of these
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Europe...ade_agreements

Messing around with the trading WILL cost them mega billions.

Nope, all the trade will continue fine under the WTO rules with
some not very high tariffs newly applying to some of the trade.
Nothing even remotely like mega billions.

That it is a smaller part of their total GDP than ours does not make it an
insignificant amount.

That trade wont stop, it will just be done under the WTO rules.

for every UK lorry stuck in a 12 hour queue to pass customs there will be
a FRENCH lorry stuck in a 12 hour queue to pass customs

That isnt what happens with all the trade under WTO rules with
all of USA, Japan, Korea, India, Australia, NZ etc etc etc.

for every brit with a professions certificate travelling to the EU to
perform his professional work having his qualification queried as valid,
there will be a EU citizen with some professional certificate having his
qualification being queried as valid

That happens already with all of USA, Japan, Korea, India, Australia, NZ etc
etc etc.

for ever Brit turning up at a French Hospital expecting to be covered by
his EHIC card and being turned away, there will be a French citizen
turning up at an UK hospital expecting to be covered by his EHIC card and
being turned away

That happens already with all of USA, Japan, Korea, India, Australia, NZ etc
etc etc.

Just happened with the #2 son of a mate of mine in one of the scandinavian
countrys, completely effortless and completely covered by his travel
insurance.

etc etc

There isnt much else that matters, really just the same thing with schools
for the kids etc.

This isn't about special favours

It's about a continuation of normal life

Which happens fine with all of USA, Japan, Korea, India, Australia, NZ etc
etc etc.

and you think that it's OK for the EU to negotiators to say "not our
problem, you sort it out"

Nothing needs to be sorted out, Britain can do what all
of USA, Japan, Korea, India, Australia, NZ etc etc etc do now.