On Saturday, September 23, 2017 at 1:51:21 PM UTC-4, dpb wrote:
On 23-Sep-17 10:20 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 23 Sep 2017 09:57:08 -0500, wrote:

On 23-Sep-17 8:54 AM, wrote:
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No, drawers were too restrictive. This kitchen doesn't have as many
base cabinets so she has to be more inventive stacking stuff in them.
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That's a major problem here...there are only two so it is cramped and
why I've not added drawers. I have thought of a sideless drawer other
than very short lip with undermount slide to minimize height loss so can
get to the back more easily, though.

I turned side-mount HD slides flat and "doubled-up" the number for
support on a slideout shelf for the printer in office...it was old heavy
laser and that worked well without taking but 1/2" in height. Thinking
of trying it in the kitchen as well...

The problem is that the more a space is divided, the less "stuff" that
can be crammed in the space. My wife is a baker, so has all sorts and
shapes of baking pans. The kitchen in the previous house was about
double the size of this one (though this house is 50% larger). The
kitchen still isn't small but it's just not the dream kitchen she had.
She's not happy about losing her kitchen but I picked up 2000ft^2 of
unfinished basement. ;-)

Build some storage down there and add a conveyor...or a drone.

I just finished helping w/ noon dishes the other issue with the ones
here is they're face-frame and the drawer can't be wider than the
opening which makes narrower by that amount behind the frames...thin
things like a drippings collector tray are on edge against the side that
would be hard to utilize the same space with the drawer.

If packing a space full divisions may reduce total storage of items,
true, but a taller space with no dividers can also end up with a lot of
wasted air above the items sitting on the one level or the difficulty of
retrieving a given item is high owing to having to unstack/restack so
much to get to it...catch 22.

There really is no good solution to "real world" storage imo; the mag's
have gorgeous pictures of neatness but there's never really anything but
the show place settings and a fancy copper kettle in sight...the
daily-used stuff is nowhere to be seen.

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Please see my other post about the ability to use the full height of the
space when a drawer is installed. Full stacking is easy (and consistent)
and access to the stack that used to be at the far back of the bottom shelf
is now achieved by simply reaching down into the full extension drawer.

As I mentioned, the loss of a couple of inches in both width and depth and
1" in physical height has - at least in my case - been more than compensated
for in *usable* height and the ease of organization of easily accessible
drawers vs. the shelves, especially the bottom shelf.

We should also make sure that we are comparing apples to apples: My drawers
are 2 bays wide. A 32" RO reduced to 30" of drawer space. Smaller single bay
drawers would be reduced by another 1" *each*. The wider drawers not only
allow for less loss, but gain the advantage of allowing the use of large
and/or odd shaped items because of the wide open real estate. We are definitely
overlapping the space that would be taken up at the "center" of 2 single wide
drawers. Yes, we lost the space behind the left and right face frame, but the
ability to easily use the full height plus the ease of organization more than
makes up for that loss.