On Tuesday, 19 September 2017 18:28:16 UTC+1, T i m wrote:
On Tue, 19 Sep 2017 04:25:36 -0700 (PDT), whisky-dave
wrote:
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Aww bless. To be a 'remoaner' I would have to have voted Remain but I
didn't. You don't seem to be able to get *anything* right do you? ;-(
No to be a remoaner you have to moan about the outcome irrespective of what you voted for.
No, that would be a 'moaner'. The 'Re' bit implies an allegiance to
the REmain side.
SO remoaners are those that didn't get their way in a democratic vote.
I doubt many of those that voted to leave are remoaners.
No, they will be failed Brexiteers that are moaning if we don't leave
or leave on anything but with their hopes 100% fulfilled.
and the remaoners are those that didn't get what they wanted.
IUf' they'd had that inteligence enough to count they would have voted wouldn't they ?
No. It's those who had the intelligence to realise it was an
unrealistic and unreasonable question that had no definitive answer
who weren't forced into voting at all.
So you're trying to tell me it was the most inteligent that didn't vote ?
I'm saying given the lack of information it would be very difficult
for anyone without an axe to grind on not on a crusade to be able gain
a fully informed and reasoned decision that would be best for 'most
people'.
So what's new that has happend since and before roman times.
While we were in the EU some were saying we should have gone with the Euro.
So, you had those voting remain simply to nullify a racist
(as my Mrs and daughter did) and the ignorant who actually believed
any of the hype they were given.
or they didnlt believ in the EU or rather Gemanys way of doing things,
if you lok how Germany is doing they have far wore problems with racism and so do the Polish. I doubt you watched panorama last night. We don;lt want that sort of thing in the UK do we, or perhaps we do.
I was talking to a mate who lives in Denmark.
That;s the socist country that took the valuables from refuees and other migrants entering their country (apart from wedding rings) to pay for their keep.
and he was saying that if
we do leave the EU and the customs union (on the basis of a non
binding poll) it will make things very difficult for the company he
works for to continue buy the components they need from us.
well of course it will because the EU operates a closed market NOT a free market.
It's not
the money, it's the inconvenience of getting a anything through
customs.
You should look at customs then. I bet it's easier to import crack cocaine.
but tehy were too bone idea to go and vote.
Yup, prod the lemmings and they will all follow each other over the
cliff ... but not one of them knows why.
Trouble is lemming don't do that sort of thing like jump off cliffs just because others do.
Brexiteers do though ... proven by listening to them confuse
(potentially empty) promises with fact.
That'/s politics nothing to do with leaving or staying.
Or was it really true that more wanted to leave than wanted to stay ?
Like I said (but will repeat for the hard of thinking), it wasn't
about wanting to continue doing what ever were already doing but who
wanted to do something *else*.
and for that to happen the only option was to leave.
Quite, and that's what the question should have been.
I remmeber that was one of the options on the voting form leave or remain
were the two options I saw, did you see something else ?
There was no option to change the EU and while we we're in EEC
Who says and why would we want to?
what do you mean who says ?
We as in the voting public voted to be part of the EEC NOT the EU.
Is that so difficult to understand.
there was no option not for it to become the EU and while in the EU there was no option to change much if anything other than what the EU polititions wanted to change.
Other than we as a member state along with all the other member states
have the ability to change *anything* about the EU. Without all the
member states there is no EU.
Which is why the EU wasn't working as well as it was as it expanded.
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So the previous use for those batteries ......
Ah, so now you are at least asking questions, to learn facts to *then*
be able to decide. Just unlike Brexit then. ;-)
No the facts are fixed it's just your POV that is differnt.
You *are* bonkers. How can my POV have changed, they are my batteries
in my doorbell for my reasons!
yuo POV is whatever you have to hand is best my POV is that you should use what is best, this is what education is about. if we just use what we have then we'd be sticking with coal and oil for the furture, and we'd still be using zinc choloride batteries wrapped in cardboard, I remmebr them D cells quite well they often leaked in my favaoutie toy which was a forklift.
The POV of a DIYer might be differnt from that of a professonal.
Yes, and?
Maybe that the point I'm used to looking at this from a teaching perspective so whey a Q is posted I think what should be the say to arther than what a DIYer would do.
A DIYer may well use a scredriver to chisel out some wood.
Yes, and?
When I was sent on a workshop course to train students they showed me how to use a chisel and the like (well I already knew), when back in my own department we didn't have any chisels for student use (we still don't) so what should a student do to chisel out wood ?
A professonal would choose a chisel, if he were told he wasnt; allowed to he might them go through various 'best' tools and may well end up with a screwdriver.
Yes, and?
exactly.
My radio casstte takes 6 Cs when I brought it it was a small ghetto blaster type and it needed the Cs for a bit of power output, but I never used it with batts
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Brilliant. You bought a portable appliance that you never used
portably and you think me using rechargeable batteries in a doorbell
is strange!
Yep. All such equipemnt that was portable because I used it to record from a turntable in another room too, so it was portable.
This is the exact model.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/VINTAGE-RE...SwQG5 ZvSf%7E
It still works as my 2nd alarm it automatticaly switches on via a timer, (which wouldnl;t be the case if I ran it from batteries).
But when I brough it about 30+ years ago there wasn't an option to but that model that didnlt take batteries.
they'd be good for torches
and toys but not sure what elese they might have been good for.
Radios?
Depends how you use your radio
Portably?
Well if you want to walk along the street with it I guess so, but I didn't.
It does seem that C cells especaailly rechargable are going out of fashion.
Of course, as more stuff moves over to Lithium.
eneloop pro don't have C & D versions I'm guessing there's a reason.
I doubt it as few know what they are.
So yuo;re saying few know what a C or D cell is for.
Might be worth buying up the old C & D to build you're own UPS.
But only as a DIY project.
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Yes if yuor bell push used a soleniond to push a hammer back and forth hitting a bell,
It does ...
realyl I thought it was a ding-dong that could be adjusted to other sounds I didnl;t think
See, this is what happens when you 'don't think'.
I didn't need to, I had one like that years ago.
It too one had.
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Mine doesn't, just an electro-mechanical solenoid driven one option
'Ding-dong'.
Oh right that link must have been wrong then.
What link? This one?:
https://www.friedland.co.uk/EN-GB/CH...ages/D107.aspx
What part of '2 notes' didn't you get?
What part of:
More Fixed Wall Chimes
D113 - Surf
D117 - Ding Dong
D128 - Hockey
D230 - Big Ben
D239 - Bandera
D454 - Warbler
confused you?
(Mine is in fact the D117 but they all look the same and work the same
way).
But how do they work internally that is the point.
Most use Marine / AGM batteries for the engine starting and marine /
deep cycle batteries for the domestic supply (often multiple 100+Ah
12V in parallel).
Yes they cost quite a bit, for a fraction of the cost you can get old taxi batteries from scrap yards that are still quite usuable.
Brilliant. You could put that idea to Elon Musk as obviously old Taxi
batteries are the future!
They are as much of the future as C cells yes that is my point well done.
I would not advise eton musk to start usiong C cells for space X or Tesla cars but he seems to already know that.
Cab uo see why he hasn't brought up all the old eneloop C cells ?
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And 2 mobility scooter batteries.
12V x ~20ah?
https://www.thesafetycentre.co.uk/st...ar geable.php
Have you tested the capacity? Charge them up, put a 60W car headlamp
on it (~5A) and time it down to about 10.5 V and it should be around 4
hours.
No why would I , I put them straight into the mobility scooter where they were to be used, which is why they were brought.
So I guess I'm used to choose the correct battery for the job.
And you would also be guessing that I don't of course?
Well your prorities are differnt.
Only if you don't also want to use the best battery for the job.
C rechargables are NOT the best for that job, any more than lead acid are.
Although I would like to know the relative efficiencies of each.
I'm not sure it's even worth the energy required to work it out is it?
depends on you're aim I guess.
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You can use stuff that is on it's way out because your main aim is to save money
Whose aim is?
yuo';re so said you brought the C cells because they were on offer didn't you.
That;'s not what I'd do here as we have little use for C cells.
ours is to educate and move on to better technologies.
I'm using the best technology for those things I'm currently working
on. Not the same thing as putting some batteries in a doorbell.
I doubt such C cells are the best technology for door bells.
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So you would need 8 and not 4 for a working bell.
Wow, he can count! ;-)
So how often do you have to charge them ?
So infrequently I really couldn't say. That's the advantage of 4000
mAh eneloops mate. ;-)
IS it if that is the case then it;d be even betetr using 6V moterbike batteries they can go far higher capacity wise than 4 Ah.
I doibt you worked out what capacity recharagbles would run for X time.
It wasn't relevant. I had the C cells, I needed some C cells, I used
the C cells? shrug
by the sea shore no doubt.
But I was under the impression that you brought the C cells for the bell..
And what does 'assumption' make?
I assumed you'd brough the C cells for the door bell unit.
As yuo said you brought them on offer ior cheaper than usual, soi I assumed you brought 8 of them for your bell unit, rather than bell ened.
Again with your assumptions. ;-(
So why did you buy 8 ?
Nope, I bought them for the radio then used them later on in the bell.
Cheers, T i m
Like my friend did with the taxi batteries as they were no longer any use in the taxi.