On Tue, 19 Sep 2017 04:25:36 -0700 (PDT), whisky-dave
wrote:

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Aww bless. To be a 'remoaner' I would have to have voted Remain but I
didn't. You don't seem to be able to get *anything* right do you? ;-(

No to be a remoaner you have to moan about the outcome irrespective of what you voted for.

No, that would be a 'moaner'. The 'Re' bit implies an allegiance to
the REmain side.

I doubt many of those that voted to leave are remoaners.

No, they will be failed Brexiteers that are moaning if we don't leave
or leave on anything but with their hopes 100% fulfilled.


IUf' they'd had that inteligence enough to count they would have voted wouldn't they ?

No. It's those who had the intelligence to realise it was an
unrealistic and unreasonable question that had no definitive answer
who weren't forced into voting at all.

So you're trying to tell me it was the most inteligent that didn't vote ?

I'm saying given the lack of information it would be very difficult
for anyone without an axe to grind on not on a crusade to be able gain
a fully informed and reasoned decision that would be best for 'most
people'. So, you had those voting remain simply to nullify a racist
(as my Mrs and daughter did) and the ignorant who actually believed
any of the hype they were given.

I was talking to a mate who lives in Denmark and he was saying that if
we do leave the EU and the customs union (on the basis of a non
binding poll) it will make things very difficult for the company he
works for to continue buy the components they need from us. It's not
the money, it's the inconvenience of getting a anything through
customs.


but tehy were too bone idea to go and vote.

Yup, prod the lemmings and they will all follow each other over the
cliff ... but not one of them knows why.

Trouble is lemming don't do that sort of thing like jump off cliffs just because others do.

Brexiteers do though ... proven by listening to them confuse
(potentially empty) promises with fact.

Or was it really true that more wanted to leave than wanted to stay ?

Like I said (but will repeat for the hard of thinking), it wasn't
about wanting to continue doing what ever were already doing but who
wanted to do something *else*.

and for that to happen the only option was to leave.

Quite, and that's what the question should have been.

There was no option to change the EU and while we we're in EEC

Who says and why would we want to?

there was no option not for it to become the EU and while in the EU there was no option to change much if anything other than what the EU polititions wanted to change.

Other than we as a member state along with all the other member states
have the ability to change *anything* about the EU. Without all the
member states there is no EU.

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So the previous use for those batteries ......

Ah, so now you are at least asking questions, to learn facts to *then*
be able to decide. Just unlike Brexit then. ;-)

No the facts are fixed it's just your POV that is differnt.

You *are* bonkers. How can my POV have changed, they are my batteries
in my doorbell for my reasons!

The POV of a DIYer might be differnt from that of a professonal.

Yes, and?

A DIYer may well use a scredriver to chisel out some wood.

Yes, and?

A professonal would choose a chisel, if he were told he wasnt; allowed to he might them go through various 'best' tools and may well end up with a screwdriver.

Yes, and?

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My radio casstte takes 6 Cs when I brought it it was a small ghetto blaster type and it needed the Cs for a bit of power output, but I never used it with batts

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Brilliant. You bought a portable appliance that you never used
portably and you think me using rechargeable batteries in a doorbell
is strange!

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they'd be good for torches
and toys but not sure what elese they might have been good for.

Radios?

Depends how you use your radio

Portably?

but generally speaking I wouldn't have thought so.

Of course you wouldn't.

It does seem that C cells especaailly rechargable are going out of fashion.

Of course, as more stuff moves over to Lithium.

eneloop pro don't have C & D versions I'm guessing there's a reason.

I doubt it as few know what they are.

Might be worth buying up the old C & D to build you're own UPS.
But only as a DIY project.

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Yes if yuor bell push used a soleniond to push a hammer back and forth hitting a bell,

It does ...

realyl I thought it was a ding-dong that could be adjusted to other sounds I didnl;t think

See, this is what happens when you 'don't think'.

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Mine doesn't, just an electro-mechanical solenoid driven one option
'Ding-dong'.

Oh right that link must have been wrong then.

What link? This one?:
https://www.friedland.co.uk/EN-GB/CH...ages/D107.aspx
What part of '2 notes' didn't you get?
What part of:

More Fixed Wall Chimes

D113 - Surf
D117 - Ding Dong
D128 - Hockey
D230 - Big Ben
D239 - Bandera
D454 - Warbler

confused you?

(Mine is in fact the D117 but they all look the same and work the same
way).

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Most use Marine / AGM batteries for the engine starting and marine /
deep cycle batteries for the domestic supply (often multiple 100+Ah
12V in parallel).

Yes they cost quite a bit, for a fraction of the cost you can get old taxi batteries from scrap yards that are still quite usuable.

Brilliant. You could put that idea to Elon Musk as obviously old Taxi
batteries are the future!

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And 2 mobility scooter batteries.

12V x ~20ah?

https://www.thesafetycentre.co.uk/st...ar geable.php


Have you tested the capacity? Charge them up, put a 60W car headlamp
on it (~5A) and time it down to about 10.5 V and it should be around 4
hours.


So I guess I'm used to choose the correct battery for the job.

And you would also be guessing that I don't of course?

Well your prorities are differnt.

Only if you don't also want to use the best battery for the job.

Although I would like to know the relative efficiencies of each.

I'm not sure it's even worth the energy required to work it out is it?

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You can use stuff that is on it's way out because your main aim is to save money

Whose aim is?

ours is to educate and move on to better technologies.

I'm using the best technology for those things I'm currently working
on. Not the same thing as putting some batteries in a doorbell.

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So you would need 8 and not 4 for a working bell.

Wow, he can count! ;-)

So how often do you have to charge them ?

So infrequently I really couldn't say. That's the advantage of 4000
mAh eneloops mate. ;-)


I doibt you worked out what capacity recharagbles would run for X time.

It wasn't relevant. I had the C cells, I needed some C cells, I used
the C cells? shrug

by the sea shore no doubt.
But I was under the impression that you brought the C cells for the bell.

And what does 'assumption' make?

As yuo said you brought them on offer ior cheaper than usual, soi I assumed you brought 8 of them for your bell unit, rather than bell ened.

Again with your assumptions. ;-(

Nope, I bought them for the radio then used them later on in the bell.


Cheers, T i m