On Monday, 18 September 2017 19:51:56 UTC+1, T i m wrote:
On Mon, 18 Sep 2017 07:15:48 -0700 (PDT), whisky-dave
wrote:

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They aren't, as you said, only 40% of the voteable population voted to
leave.

and less voted to stay, I see you havent; worked that one out yet.

Whoosh. I said the vote should have just been to leave, if you want
to. The status quo was we were already in so that didn't need voting
for.

That's what I was told at school and how a referedum was differnt from a vote but they also told me that due to nuclear power the bpostage to send you the bill would be more expensive than teh electricity you used so energy would be virtually free, and we'd be working 25-30 hours weeks.



'Right, who wants to carry on doing what we have been???' No, the onus
was on those who wanted to do something different to vote to do that,
not everyone else.

Maybe you went to the same school I did.


That's the biggest problem with remoaners is that they can't count.

Aww bless. To be a 'remoaner' I would have to have voted Remain but I
didn't. You don't seem to be able to get *anything* right do you? ;-(

No to be a remoaner you have to moan about the outcome irrespective of what you voted for. I doubt many of those that voted to leave are remoaners.


IUf' they'd had that inteligence enough to count they would have voted wouldn't they ?

No. It's those who had the intelligence to realise it was an
unrealistic and unreasonable question that had no definitive answer
who weren't forced into voting at all.

So you're trying to tell me it was the most inteligent that didn't vote ?


but tehy were too bone idea to go and vote.

Yup, prod the lemmings and they will all follow each other over the
cliff ... but not one of them knows why.

Trouble is lemming don't do that sort of thing like jump off cliffs just because others do.


Or was it really true that more wanted to leave than wanted to stay ?

Like I said (but will repeat for the hard of thinking), it wasn't
about wanting to continue doing what ever were already doing but who
wanted to do something *else*.

and for that to happen the only option was to leave. There was no option to change the EU and while we we're in EEC there was no option not for it to become the EU and while in the EU there was no option to change much if anything other than what the EU polititions wanted to change.


Mate, like the whole Brexit scam it's not for those not wanting to
leave (the status quo) to justify anything to those who do.

Which is exactly why the remainers lost too stupid to put their point forward in a way that could be understood.

The 'Remainers' shouldn't have been in the race. It should have been
'Who want's to leave', and that's all.

I'd agree and that's what I was told as a kid, so as an inteligent remoaners they decided not to vote as I said.

Ok.

Brexisters didn't win remoaners lost.

We may have all lost (on the 'beliefs' of a minority) mate.

Yes May did lose.
I'm not sure whether or not you think the MEP's minority 'beliefs' were or are good for EU citizens with rising umemployment in spain, Berliners complianing that too many peole were speaking Englsih what the **** to they expect the world isnlt going to start speaking german all of a sudden. Strangley enough I was told at college that I should take technical german if I wanted to work in electronics in the furture (back in 1981).


You are the one going on about me using rechargeable C cells in the
doorbell you jokingly described with an *if* that 'it was the old
solenoid type' ... which it is. But you came to all the justification
for your reason why my uses of rechargeable was illogical *to you*
without asking me why I did or finding out why I did.

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First you said it was because you already had the battereos

I did.

So the previous use for those batteries ......

Ah, so now you are at least asking questions, to learn facts to *then*
be able to decide. Just unlike Brexit then. ;-)

No the facts are fixed it's just your POV that is differnt.

The POV of a DIYer might be differnt from that of a professonal.
A DIYer may well use a scredriver to chisel out some wood.
A professonal would choose a chisel, if he were told he wasnt; allowed to he might them go through various 'best' tools and may well end up with a screwdriver.



A portable radio that took 4 C cells.

My dad had over 30 AA nicds he spent so much time charging them then putting them in the garden as night lights hopping they'll charge during the day.

We have a solar powered porch light that seems to be able to cope (in
the summer when it's least needed at least).

True renewable energy, most productive when it's least needed.



the you said you brought them for £2.49 each or a pair

I did (or thereabouts).

you couldn't remmeber.

Correct, other than they weren't 'expensive' (or I wouldn't have
bought them).

At least that makes some sense.

Phew

Whether or not buying 4 or 8 for a radio is another matter.
My radio casstte takes 6 Cs when I brought it it was a small ghetto blaster type and it needed the Cs for a bit of power output, but I never used it with batts I was never the sort of person to put ti on my shoulder and walk down the road annoying everyone with my music chocie.


It does make me wonder why yuo had so many C enloops,

Well that's a step forward at least, you 'wondering' rather than just
'commenting'. ;-)

Yep preparing for the new term.
Me :- there's no eating or drinking in the lab,
Student :- but I'm hungry/thirsty
Me :- I don't care this is a teaching lab NOT a cafe
Student :- But it says you can eat and drink in the ITL building in the handbook.
Me : This IS NOT the ITL building, and even then that only applies to out of hours access.


they'd be good for torches
and toys but not sure what elese they might have been good for.

Radios?

Depends how you use your radio but generally speaking I wouldn't have thought so.
It does seem that C cells especaailly rechargable are going out of fashion.
eneloop pro don't have C & D versions I'm guessing there's a reason.

Might be worth buying up the old C & D to build you're own UPS.
But only as a DIY project.






C & D cells seem to be less used than they used to be.

Agreed but mainly because many things have gone over to Lithium.

Yes or NiNH or liPo .
My that's it, I have to instruct stends to use current ;-) technology for their designs as this isnlt a DIY project.
Do not attempt to use our old lead acid batteris for designing a Mars rover..



Rechargable batteries in such a system as a bell push isn't usually the best option,

Maybe not.

rechargable batteries work best where there is high current drain.

Like with a solenoid you mean?

Yes if yuor bell push used a soleniond to push a hammer back and forth hitting a bell,

It does ...

realyl I thought it was a ding-dong that could be adjusted to other sounds I didnl;t think they uised the old style hammer on a bell.
I guess if it's good enough for big ben then...


btu I thought your more modern ding-dong wouldn;t have such a thing but would have ciricutry as there are other 'bell' options.

Mine doesn't, just an electro-mechanical solenoid driven one option
'Ding-dong'.

Oh right that link must have been wrong then.


I buit my own at school used a 40pin chip that help about 30 ring-tones you could get it to pick one relatively randomly although split into 3 banks of 10 sounds. It was touch sensative too.

Yes, they were a fad at one time ... and very annoying.

as were those car horns.
I've tried to predict what those in battery/silant cars will use when it become illegal to drive silently.





Just that a friend of mine on a baot is on the look out for old taxi batteeies

Ok?

Itls matching the corect type of battery with the apillication.
Which is why yuo don'; see C cells used in mobile phone.
Or even AAAs.Of course some cameras take AA or AAA but most high end camera have dedicated batteries for a few reasons I guess.



Ask someone that's got a canal boat which sort of battery is best for scrounging.

Most use Marine / AGM batteries for the engine starting and marine /
deep cycle batteries for the domestic supply (often multiple 100+Ah
12V in parallel).

Yes they cost quite a bit, for a fraction of the cost you can get old taxi batteries from scrap yards that are still quite usuable. I doubt he could have used a bank of C cells.




Oh really ... like if you 'fond some' in your battery box? ;-)

You'd be amazed at my battery box.

No, I was taking the P mate as I'm the one with the 'spare' C cells in
my battery box remember? ;-)

about 60 NiMH AA , a few of each of 3.6V 7.2V LiPo.
A few lead acid 6V, about 300 CR2032s,
Alkaline :- 30 PP3s , 30 AAA 40 AA, 6 X Ds adn 20 Cs

Nice selection.

a few 2450s and SR44s and a selection of others .

Ok.

And 2 mobility scooter batteries.

12V x ~20ah?

https://www.thesafetycentre.co.uk/st...ar geable.php



So I guess I'm used to choose the correct battery for the job.

And you would also be guessing that I don't of course?

Well your prorities are differnt.

Although I would like to know the relative efficiencies of each.
Which I first though of years ago in that is it better for me to build a
PSU for the bell or whether to use rechargable batteries.

They were planing on ruuning a renewable energy course unit here but not sure what happened to it. I only found out last we that we run 120 differnt units for our students so they are going to try to cut the number down.



So maybe it;s because it's a habit of me recommenting the right type of battery fro the tyope of job.

As do I. Do you have a point (yet)?

You can use stuff that is on it's way out because your main aim is to save money
ours is to educate and move on to better technologies.
While I do keep discontinued components I won't let our studetns use them for projects.
It's like when I asked them 5 years ago to stop doing labs with 74LS76 chips as they were getting hard to buy and to stop using 74LS chips in labs in general.
trying to drag the teaching into the 21st century.



A couple of weeks ago I dismanta;ed an old 3rd year project, it was still working but was intemintant, what I found was 3 AAA batteries in a AA battereis holder held in with blu-tak.

Were you running the project by chance?

No I don't run projects, the academics set the project which was design a timer or device used in the olympics or some such wording.


I assume you have to take them out to charge them.

Yes. Like I would take them out if they were alkaline's and they were
flat.

So you would need 8 and not 4 for a working bell.

Wow, he can count! ;-)

So how often do you have to charge them ?



I doibt you worked out what capacity recharagbles would run for X time.

It wasn't relevant. I had the C cells, I needed some C cells, I used
the C cells? shrug

by the sea shore no doubt.
But I was under the impression that you brought the C cells for the bell.
As yuo said you brought them on offer ior cheaper than usual, soi I assumed you brought 8 of them for your bell unit, rather than bell ened.