On Sat, 29 Jul 2017 01:15:06 GMT, Wayne Boatwright
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On Fri 28 Jul 2017 07:03:03a, Ed Pawlowski told us...

On 7/28/2017 9:05 AM, Ralph Mowery wrote:
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On Thu, 27 Jul 2017 23:29:21 -0400, Ed Pawlowski
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On 7/27/2017 11:17 PM, Ralph Mowery wrote:



I did a quick look at the Hondas, and the small and mid size
cars did not seem to even offer a v6. Just a 4 and a turbo 4.
I don't care for the turbos on a street car.


Why?
My last car was a 2.0 turbo. I was quite happy with the
performance.

Today's turbos are a far cry from the Corvair or Jetfire of
the
sixties, or the old SVO Mustang!!! Rven the Saab turbos of rhe
seventies and eighties were very crude by today's standards and
were considered consumeables. Today's turbos should last the
life of the car

I admitt that I do not understand the whole thoughs on the street
turbos. Back in the 1960's many engines had a compression ratio
of about 10:1 or more. Then came the air polution acts and the
compression ratios were droped to well under that. I know there
is a practical limit on the compression ratio for engines.

Wouldn't the turbos on the low compression engines be just about
like going back up on the compression ratio ? Forcing more air
into the engine is all that the turbo does doesn't it ?

My thinking is the turbo is just more junk added to an engine to
beat the polution rules.

All this is for stree cars and not ones ran on the tracks where
even with the high compression ratios are not good enough to
produce the maximum power.

Not checking out the turbos, do they require the higher octain
(higher price ) fuel ?

While not really the case, my thoughts are like one I read years
ago in that there is no subistute for cubic inches.



Turn out there is a substitute for cubic inches. My 2.0 engine is
a mere 122 cubic inches. Puts out close to the same power as the
old 283 Chevy block. Remember when it was a big deal to get 1 hp
for 1 cu in? My Sonata was 245 hp.

My Genesis is 232 cu in (3.8 ltr) and puts out 311 HP with no
turbo but you can get a 3.3 liter turbo with 365.

In spite of pushing the compression up, turbos today run just fine
on regular 87 octane and regular oil. They don't have the turbo
lag of the past. I had a '83 Mercedes with the turbo diesel. It
took a few seconds for the turbo kick in. I live on a holl and it
was an annoyance when I turned out of my driveway to go up the
hill.

I'm ashamed to admit it, but what I know about engines you could fit
in a thimble. Our dealer actually talked us out of a V-6 engine,
that we wouldn't really need it for about-town driving and the
occasional freeway driving. What we ended up with is a 2.4L 16-Valve
DOHC i-VTEC I4, 189 HP. The car is a Honda Accord 4-door Sedan. If
you can tell me anything more that would be good for me know, I would
appreciate it.
Bulletproof torque monster in a small box - and likely every bit as
smooth as the six