On Sun, 23 Jul 2017 02:40:10 -0000 (UTC), Mad Roger
wrote:

On Sat, 22 Jul 2017 19:44:26 -0500,
dpb wrote:

I got curious myself on what the numbers revealed and looked at the NIST
numbers again.

I computed an empirical cdf and compared it to normal...statistics from
the 20,036 observations are below:

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s =
min: -50
max: 146
mean: -0.0788
std: 3.7681
median: 0
mode: 0
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I then compared to normal on the same plot and as outlined above
N(mean,std) is too long-tailed on both ends in comparison. It turns out
that N(mean,std/1.5) is pretty close on both tails to about the +/- 6 point.


Anyway, from the above it's simple enough to get some pretty good
estimates of what pump volume errors one might expect...the table below
is from the empirical cdf NIST data...

P error(in^3)/5Gal error(%)
0.001 -22 -1.82
0.005 -9 -0.78
0.010 -8 -0.69
0.025 -6 -0.52
0.050 -5 -0.43
0.250 -2 -0.17
0.500 0 0
0.750 2 0.17
0.900 4 0.34
0.950 5 0.43
0.975 6 0.52
0.990 7 0.60
0.995 10 0.86
0.999 22 1.82

From the above, one can conclude the pump metering error small for all
except the extreme outlier pumps.

I love that you are the only one quoting actual numbers and not pulling
them out of your butt to answer the question!

But your numbers confuse me because they seem to be in cubic inches.
You are the engineer, son of physics majors - figure it out!!!
You also mentioned that metric pumps are more accurate, but that's
impossible, simply because the pump is as accurate as the pump can get,
which, we can assume, is a mechanical thing (and not a metric thing).
You fail to grasp the simple fact that a tenth of a liter is a whole
lot less than a tenth of a gallon???? Accuracy of READING the pump is
therefore about 4 times more accurate with a metric pump, because your
read error of +.1/-0 units is based on the much smaller unit.

All you're saying is that a liter is four times smaller than a gallon so
the error is four times less for a given liter versus a given gallon but
that's not saying it's more accurate. It's just saying the volume is less
so the resulting error is less.

and your engineer's understanding of accuracy does not equate to a
smaller error?????????

Anyways, can you just summarize what the error is for a typical USA pump in
gallons?
As good as Less than 1/10 of a percent according to the information
quoted, with a very few as bad as 1.82%. An american gallon is 128
fluid ounces, so 1.82% of 128 ounces is 2.23 ounces maximum error,
+/1, with most being within .5%, or 0.64 ounces per gallon

For a typical 20-gallon fill, how many gallons off can reality be, plus or
minus from the indicated reading on the pumpmeter?
The poorest pump checked in that data would be +/- 44.6 oz per 20
gallon tank - the average about +/- 12 ounces.
ASS U MEing the error is randomly distributed,around zero, your
chances of the error being anywhere CLOSE to even the 12 ounces is so
small as to be virtually insignificant unless you always used the same
pump - in which case it is totally immaterial if used for comparative
purposes.

For an engineer, you sure have a poor grasp of the concepts.