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On Tue, 04 Jul 2017 18:46:28 -0700, Larry Jaques
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On Tue, 04 Jul 2017 12:01:23 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 04 Jul 2017 06:25:53 -0700, Larry Jaques
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On Mon, 03 Jul 2017 12:35:08 -0700, Larry Jaques
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On Mon, 03 Jul 2017 10:18:53 -0400, wrote:

I finally broke down and bought Michelin Latitude Tour tires on my
Ranger I am very happy with them as summer tires - Have Nokian
Hakkapeliitta R2s on for the winter.

Let us know what kind of miles you get on them.

I finally got the Toyota dealer to OK the warranty on the aux smog
valve and pump and it's in the shop today. Whew, I was sweatin' like
a pig over that one. $2,500 worth of relief!

My truck came back to me at 3:30pm yesterday and I put my foot into it
on the way home. No more limp mode, so it's fun again. The bill,
footed by Toyota, came to "only" $1,565.56. Thank you, Toyota.


I am unlikely to ever wear them out. The original 14 inch tires
lasted about 235000KM - it still had the second set on it when I
bought it, 16 years old, with 307000km on it.

WTF? Was that summer miles? I've never seen tires last that long on
anything. I got almost 60k on the rears of the F-150, with 2 new
pairs on the I-beam front end during that time.


That was virtually all highway miles, mostly summer as the snows
still had a lot of tread left (about half). The truck was driven back
and forth from Huntsville Ontario to downtown Toronto for most of the
first 300,000km
I put on a set of used
Coopers that came with the 16 inch TorqThrust style 16 inch mags I put
on it 4 years ago, and I used them for 2 years before replacing them
with the Michelins. The coopers were not worn out, but were well past
their "best before date", being made in 1998. I put less than 10,000km
a year on the truck, about 1/4 of them, historically, on the snows. I
just got rid of the original 21 year old 14 inch snows, and they were
still over 1/2 trad.

How many months do you use snow tires there, and what is the normal
tread life of tires there. It seems mythical to me, so I'm thinking
they're made with ground Unicorn horn to get those miles.

I have my snow tires on from Nov 1 to April every year. Not sure what
the original tires on the truck were, but the first replacements were
Firestone FR380 215/70 14s and were installed at 187,024km according
to the reciept, on November 10, 2004 Cost $91.65 each installed and
balanced on the factory MAG wheels. One of those tires was repaired at
221862km in June of 2006

The snow tires were installed 19 1998 - they were Cooper "weather
master" brand installed on rims in Oct 1998 - cost $79 each
installed.

I have had tires last as little as 30,000km and as much as 170,000 on

The former is low/normal, the latter unheard of. Lucky boy!


other vehicles. On my 1972 Firenza, which I bought in 1979 for $250
(all the Lada dealer would allow on a trade) I installed Goodyear
Traction T/As about a month after I bought it. These were so5/60 13s
if I remember correctly - much wider than the original "bike tires" it
came with - on styled steel rims from a Vega/Astre GT. Those tires
were still on the car when it was scrapped in 1996 when the steering
rack went bad and we could not get parts to repair it Not sure how
many miles were on them, but the car went to Nova Scotia towing a tent
trailer, went out to Mount Wahington, and all over Ontario for 17
years - and there was well over 3/4 tread left. I guess what I'm
saying is there are tires, and there are tires -and it also depends
what vehicle they are on, how they are loaded, and how they are
driven. The Ranger never had a load in it untill after I bought it
with 307,000km on it.
When I bought my 1998 New Yorker, it had relatively good tires on it -
100,000km on the car, give or take a few thousand ( I think it was
actually about 98,000) I replaced the summer tires once, with cheap
Triumph All Season (offbrand goodyears IIRC) before I sold the car
with 240,000km on it - the tires still passed the safety - but not by
much. I think it was about 85000km on the replacement tires - mostly
local driving
When I bought my 1990 Aerostar from my Dad it still had the original
tires. I replaced the tires twice, and had snows for the rear - in
240,000km. The tires were (all 8) still good when the truck was sold.
I put new tires on my 1995 TranSport when I bought it, and kept them
when I scrapped the truck 100,000km later at 475,000km. (I used the
Graspic snows from the Aerostar on the TranSport) I've averaged 6 or 7
seasons per set of Graspics over 3 vehicles - used the same size -
moved from vehicle to vehicle for the Aerostar, the TranSport, the PT
Cruiser, and the Ranger (Untill I put the big brakes on it and had to
get 16s - when I bought the Haks.

When I bought the 2002 Taurus in 2012 with 54000km on it, it had new
low-end Uniroyal Tiger Paw Tourings (T rated) on it. I replaced 2 of
them before the car hit 80,000km, and then replaced all 4 with new V
rated Tiger Paws at about 103,000. The T rated 'Paws were JUNK - The V
rated are apparently much better - we will see. The car just turned
108,000km last week.

My daughter's Honda got almost 80,000km on the original equipment
tires - forget what brand - and we replaced with Goodyear GTs whick
lasted till last fall - I think 187,000 km on the car now - had Dunlop
Graspics on for all the winters (car is 9 years old now - so 8
winters)She DRIVES the thing!!! The GTs likely got 80,000 km of summer
driving on them, while the originals likely goy less than 50,000.

I've had best luck with Bridgestone tires, good luck with Cooper and
some noname WallyWorld import (Pinto and F150), and blase' luck with
Goodyear, Michelin, Goodrich. If I've ever owned Uniroyals, Dunlops,
Pirellis, or Firestones, I don't recall. And I've soitenly never
owned a Zambian tire of any brand. g

Bridgestone owns Firestome.

Amazing, isn't it?


My only other personal experience with Michelins was with the old
original "X" tires -on my 1967 Peugeot in 1973. At 6 years of age, the
car had over 100000 miles on it and the tires were still round, still
held air, and still had decent tread on them - but the tread was hard
as a rock and provided very little traction. I replaced 2 with Zambian
Dunlops The old "X" tires were not tubeless - they ran "airstops"

What are airstops? googled: 9mm thick butyl tubes? Wow.
Yup. And they came in handy. On the tip from Livingstone Zambia, up
through the copperbelt, across the pedicle of Zaire and up to Mbreshi
in Luapula Province, during the rainy season (Christmas/NewYears 1974)
I stopped every hour or so, got out the hammer, and knocked the rims
back to a semblance of round - and never lost any air. We had 4 adults
and 1000 lbs of supplies in a 1967 Peugeot 204 "break" on the way up,
and 3 adults on the way back - - .

Those are some wow stories, clare. I'll bet your glass stays full at
the pub. "You asked what that hammer was doing in the back seat? It's
my Peugeot wheel sledge." You have much better tire squaring stories
than I do.
Those are just a few of many "zamfix" stories I could tell - about
VWs, Peugeots, boats, Toyota busses, landies, and all kinds of other
strange contraptions

Ayup.


And then there's the Canadian ones involving old minis and Vauxhauls
and Fargos and Rovers and Toyotas - and Fords breaking down in
Michigam - and fixing vehicles in Burkina.

That sounds like a couple of interesting books to me, and I'm serious
about that. Let me know when you need proofreaders. Got pics?

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