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On Sat, 03 Jun 2017 10:29:32 +0100, Dave Liquorice
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On Sat, 3 Jun 2017 09:25:04 +0100, Brian Gaff
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There are different crying types. There is
disstress crying and
frustration crying. the latter is one of lifes
lessons being learned,
the other is in need of urgent attention.

Agreed, shame that many parents don't seem able
to tell the
difference and give the child attention at the
meerest whimper.
Result in a kid that thinks the way to get
attention for anything is
to wail and if it doesn't work wail harder and
longer up to a full
blown tantrum.

Our two tried the tantrum once possibly twice, we
laughed, it didn't
work, they gave up on the idea.

M'colleague told me there's a way to stop your kid
being needy. You completely ignore it crying as
a baby and feed it on a schedule. It soon stops
waking you up at night.

Absolute ********.

No it isn't. When they realise that crying achieves
nothing, they stop doing so.

It depends on the reason for crying if it's for
attention and purely for attention then the crying
will stop. But the commenst reason(s) are teeth and
the resulting tooth ache amonst other things.

Which cannot be cured with a cuddle. So again, no point
in seeing to the baby.

But it can be cured by the parent or anyone else applying
medication and even if there is no medication it's been
proved that' kissing it better' can have the placebo
effect advantage and the pain or whatever was causing
crying stops it.

Easier to put the baby in a seperate room where you can't
hear it, then the parents can get a solid sleep.

I wonder if any did that in Grenfell Tower.

You're saying a baby started the fire?

No that they ignore a warning noise that something was
happening.
Poepl wedge open foire doors, move extinguishers, get annoyed
by alarms going off and tend to ignore them.

Because alarms are **** that's why. They go off for false
positives 10 times more often than a real positive.

Only 10 times? I'd estimate about 100.

You're most likely correct. I just ignore them, except if they're
in the middle of the ****ing night, then I call the police and
tell them I saw a burglar, even when I know there isn't one.
Hopefully the police bash a clue into the heads of the morons with
alarms.

Make sure it's fed with a clean nappy before you go to bed,
then it can survive for 8 hours without ****ing moaning!

well no one likes being woken up do they.

No, which is why mothers with the baby in their own room are
nuts.

Some people have the ability to care more about others than
themselves.

the baby doesn't need 24/7 attention. And giving it 24/7
attention turns it into a useless wimp that cannot take care of
itself.

It's not about 24/7 attention. Babies need to be in a safe place
and
the carer must be able to recognise quickly if there is a
problem.

They don't need cotton wool. They're humans, not plants.

Cotton wool is irrelevant - plants don't need it for a start.

Your wit is unastounding. You know what I meant.

Actually I don't think I do know what you meant, unless you are
proposing that parents leave their babies alone for long periods of
time and ignore any crying.

That is precisely what I'm proposing, and many do.

In the Victorian era maybe.

The babies soon learn that crying won't get them anywhere.

Even if there is something really wrong?

Like a house or car alarm, they go off all the time, something wrong or
not.

But if you want a moany little needy child, then you carry on wrapping
them in cotton wool.

I really hope you never have children as you have the hallmarks of an
abuser.

Go read up on it, plenty do the same.

Ah. 1,000,000 flies can't be wrong.

There are two ways to bring up kids.

There are in fact a hell of a lot more than just two ways.

They can both work, depending in the child. Some will respond to a good
talking to, some need belted.

And some keep doing what you don't want
them to do even when they are belted.

You're a complete ****wit if you think your way is the only way.
Teaching kids things isn't
always nice, they need to be ignored, smacked, etc, or they'll never
learn.

You are sick. Children learn far better without being abused.

It's not abuse. Abuse would be beating them up for no reason. A smack to
tell them they did wrong is the quickest, easiest, and most effective
method. Everyone used to do it, and funnily enough we all grew up just
fine.

You clearly didn't. Whether what was due to
how you grew up or genetics is harder to say.

Smacking is more likely to lead to mental health issues than
"learning".

Right.... a temporary pain on the backside damages the brain. Are you one
of those screwed in the head American trick cyclists?

But you go ahead
and create a needy whining child that'll break the law every 5 minutes
for the rest of life
because it thinks all it'll get is praise.

You must be a fan of Jimmy Saville.

Show me a link to where he smacked children or ignored them crying.

Tell me you don't have any kids - you are utterly unsuitable to be a
parent.

Your way isn't the only way, get over it. Your kids won't thank you when
your neighbour's tougher kids who were brought up my way beat the **** out
of them at school. But it's ok, yours know how to talk their way out of a
fight....