On 2017/05/15 4:15 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Mon, 15 May 2017 15:03:32 -0500, Foxs Mercantile
wrote:

On 5/15/2017 2:25 PM, wrote:
If my goal was to deliver ATF to some tiny place, I
would use capillary tubes. Not a spray with volatiles,
not anything with volatiles.

The goal isn't to deliver ATF to some tiny place.
The goal is to prove how clever you are by making some
home brew concoction instead of just buying something
that works exactly as it is advertised to do.

A quart of ATF is about $6, a quart of Acetone is about
$13 and a quart of Mineral Spirits is about $6.
So you can spend $25 to prove how clever you are, then
deal with storing your concoction and the hazards involved
in using it, or you can just order a frigging can of Kroil
from Kano Labs for $13 and be done with it.

Nobody is going to mix two quarts (1.9 liters) of acetone+ATF+etc and
put it on the shelf for when needed. One might mix perhaps 50 ml of
for use when needed for much less, or scround the ingredients in small
quantities for free. My car has a manual transmission. Therefore I
don't have any ATF in my automotive chemistry set. So, I borrowed
some from the neighborhood mechanic.

The original cite, allegedly from a machinery magazine, included the
cost per fluid ounce in 2007:
Penetrating oil .... Average load .. Price per fluid ounce
None ................. 516 pounds
WD-40 ................ 238 pounds .. $0.25
PB Blaster ........... 214 pounds .. $0.35
Liquid Wrench .........127 pounds .. $0.21
Kano Kroil ........... 106 pounds .. $0.75
ATF-Acetone mix........ 53 pounds .. $0.10

Same as above from a different source:
http://www.antiquemodeler.org/sam_new/news_letters/assets/wham_2011_07.pdf

However, there's a problem. If you google for the original author,
Lloyd Bender, you'll find various conflicting claims as to the
original formulation. He allegedly originally used power steering
fluid plus trichloroethane or trichlorethylene, which are currently
banned.
http://forums.24hoursoflemons.com/viewtopic.php?pid=112831#p112831
There was a followup to that article in the February/March
2010 issue of Machinist's Workshop. A reader complained
that acetone and ATF do not mix. They actually form an
emulsion that quickly separates.

The editor then pointed out that the photo with the original
article showed a bottle of power steering fluid, not ATF.
So the reader tried PSF and got the same results.

The editor then contacted the author (Lloyd Bender) of the
original article (April/May 2007 Machinist's Workshop), who
admitted that the original solvent was not acetone, but
trichloroethelyne! He said that he substituted acetone in
the article because he didn't want want to be recommending
the use of TCE.

In a followup posting, this appeared:
Here's a response from the guy who did the tests.
"Allow me to appologize one more time. The test material
was intended to be automatic transmission fluid. In the auto
parts department, I grabbed a bottle of power steering
fluid by mistake. If you read the article, the power steering
fluid shown was used. The table you quoted has not been corrected.

One salient point not covered in your question -- these are loads
required to free the test piece after 8 hours of immersion in
penetrating oil. This is probably not representative of a quick
squirt just before a wrench is applied."

At this time, nobody seems to have found a copy of the original
article or know the real ingredients.


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John :-#)#

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