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On 23/04/17 21:47, Andrew Gabriel wrote:
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Bod writes:
From what I've read and heard, most Labour voters ARE like
sheep.
I
hear it all of the time "I vote labour because all my family
have
always
voted for Labour".
I think there's been a lot of truth in that, but a lot of
people
who had always voted Labour for decades have abandoned the
party
in last couple of years for two different reasons, Brexit, and
the
party's recent move towards the far left (popular with Labour
members, but less so with the bulk of voters they need to
attract).
Both Conservative and Labour voters were split on Brexit - it
wasn't a hard left/right issue. Now the Conservatives have
come
out heavily for Brexit, they've pulled in lots of Labour
Brexiters,
and I think they'll pull in all 5M UKIP voters (UKIP will be
dead
in 8 weeks). Conservatives will lose some Remainers to
Lib/Dems,
but
that will be small compared with their gains from Labour and
UKIP.
I think the most significant thing historically will be the
number
of traditional left wing voters who've moved well to the right
just
to ensure Brexit goes through. They'll probably move back a
few
years after Brexit, but for now, they regard Brexit as more
important
than left/right politics.
Labour hasn't been a party of the working class - the white
working
class for two decades or more. Not since Thatcher really.
Its the party of the nouveau rich middle class, you know 'me
grandad
were a milkman but I am a sound engineer at the beeb, and own
me
own
house' sort.
Working class are way right of Labour.
You mean way left.
Nope, **** all of the working class is into the
sort of Trotskyite **** that Corbyn and co are.
That's why so many of them kept putting Maggie in.
Every working class person I know does not vote Tory (right wing).
Then you need to get out more.
Why would a poor person not want handouts?
Even the Torys do handouts.
They continually reduce them as much as they can get away with.
Bull****. And they jacked up the minimum wage much more than Labour
did.
It's on a very slow rise, barely over inflation.
That's a lie with the most recent change.
That's what I thought until I looked it up. It's hardly gone up at all.
That's bull****. Its gone up a lot more than Labour did.
And it's spread over several years.
It always is.
It's negligible.
Just enough to appease the chav masses.
They don't vote tory anyway.
Ok, the ones who are slightly better off than that, vote Tory, but still
care for their chav relations.
Hardly any of the chav masses bother to vote at all.
Cite.
Or maybe the Tories want the chavs to start voting for them too?
Corse they do, but it doesn't matter what
they want, it isnt going to happen.
Giving them more money will help.
I mean the other alternative in Scotland is SNP,
Yep, its only to toffs that vote tory in scotland
and there are only enough of those to get a
couple of torys elected.
A lot of Scots are ****ed off with the SNP, hopefully they won't all vote SNP next time.
and we all know she ****ed things up royally.
But you lot vote SNP anyway if you do bother to vote.
SNP are communist arseholes, hopefully most of us have realised this now. As for them wanting a SECOND independance referendum, that's ridiculous and has ****ed half of us off.
And working class people arent necessarily poor people anyway.
That's what it means.
Nope, it JUST means they do that sort of work.
And that sort of work doesn't pay much.
Irrelevant to what is working class.
And quite a bit of working class work
pays very well indeed, particularly in
the oil and gas industry and mining etc.
I'd call them middle class.
More fool you. A drill rigger isnt middle class.
They make far more money than a dustman.
The class is a label as to whether you're a poor chav, doing fairly well,
or minted.
It isnt about how well you are paid.
Yes it is.
Drill riggers, welders etc arent middle class unless
they work for themselves and most of them don't.
Bull****. Middle class people do not have to run their own business.
Adam certainly isnt.
Then he isn't working class.
Corse an electrician is working class.
There's an electrician three doors down from me. Hardly working class.
He runs his own business and owns three properties.
Adam doesn't do that.
Thought he was in charge of underlings?
Foremen are still working class. And in the past
most of the working class had apprentices and
that's the only underlings he has.
Depends what he gets paid. If he's double the minimum wage I'd call him middle class.
They want handouts.
Corse you never ever do that yourself, eh ?
I take whatever's available, I'm a scrounger at heart.
And yet you don't vote Labour.
Because I don't want any money I earn to go to someone else.
It does anyway.
Moreso with Labour.
Nope, they don't get any more tax out of you than the torys do.
Tories are making cutbacks to the NHS etc. Labour increase that spending.
Irrelevant to whether labour got more money out of you or not.
It's very relevant. If they spend more they need more taxes to fund it. The only reason the Tories don't cut taxes is they're trying to get rid of the debt the Labour government put us in.
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Someday we'll look back on all this and plough into a parked car.