On Wednesday, April 12, 2017 at 12:12:13 PM UTC-4, Meanie wrote:
On 4/12/2017 11:23 AM, trader_4 wrote:
On Tuesday, April 11, 2017 at 4:42:45 PM UTC-4, Meanie wrote:
On 4/11/2017 1:17 PM, Ralph Mowery wrote:
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On Tuesday, April 11, 2017 at 12:32:59 PM UTC-4, Unquestionably Confused wrote:
On 4/11/2017 10:50 AM, Ralph Mowery wrote:
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I would agree, assuming they knew they had these 4 employees all
along. It's possible that only came up after people had boarded.
Once this guy claimed he was a doctor and started bitching, they
should have asked to see his license and if he showed it, then
selected another random person. That seems like a reasonable thing
that could have avoided this mess.


If that doctor was all that important, he should have scheduled a
flight a few days sooner. Unless he was some kind of very special
doctor on an emergency call, which would be doubtful.

It's rather clear that you, Ralph, have little understanding of overbooking.

Your comment that he should have planned ahead is just ignorant. He DID
plan ahead. He booked and was seated on a flight that would get him to
Louisville when he needed to be. The airline did not do the same with
their crew members. Whose planning was **** poor?

I don't think Ralph is too far off. If you really, really have to be
somewhere, then you don't plan on taking the last flight available
the day before you need to be there. For example, if you live in NYC
and are taking a cruise that leaves from LA, it's not a good idea to
take the last flight that will get you to the dock on time. Airlines
have to cancel flights occasionally due to weather, equipment problems,
crew problems, etc.

That was sort of my thinking. Airplanes often get delayed for various
reasons not under control. The weather could be bad, or for some reason
the airplane could have mechanical problems, or even a bomb threat. How
many days was it that all planes were grounded after 9/11 ?

If someone absolutly has to be at a place, they should be set up atleast
a day or two sooner.

As far as the planning on the airlines part, there could have been crew
problems at the other airport. Maybe the crew had a wreck or some
medical problems or family problems.

I worked at a plant that needed to run 24/7 as to shut it down,
especially under under controlled conditions would have cost over a
million dollars. We don't usually get much snow in NC, but one day we
got 12 inches. Very few could get into work or out of the plant (around
400 or more people on a normal shift change each way). The ones there
stayed over and worked to keep the place running. That goes to show
things hapen that no one can predict.


You discuss the gambling odds of the airline overbooking yet fail to
give credit to a customer who may play the odds the airlines are usually
on time.

I guess in addition to not flying much, you're unfamiliar with gambling.
When you gamble, sometimes you lose.


Technically, it's not gambling. I'm not entering a casino with the
expectation of losing or winning some money. It's a service already paid
for. I don't fly with the belief I am gambling to get knocked off
considering the odds of that are rare.


Like I said, you don't understand gambling. Just because the odds are
"rare" doesn't mean that it doesn't happen and that it could happen to
you.



I fly with the expectation I will
reach my destinations according to the ETA and ETD of the information
printed on my ticket and paperwork which I paid to use. The airline
gambles on statistics and when they lose, they need to be the ones to
pay, not customers.

I agree with that. I think the airline should have just upped the
offer until someone accepted. That was one mistake they made.




How anyone can justify fault in the guy is ****ing astonishing.

He was 100% wrong from the time he refused to obey the commands of
the airline crew and law enforcement. Suppose you were in a hardware
store, had a coupon for 50% off, went to use it, and the store manager
said it's not eligible for the product in question. So, you start
a shouting match, it escalates, the manager asks you to leave the store.
You refuse, demanding that he sell you the product for 50% off.
He calls the police and you refuse their lawful commands to exit
the store. How do you think that would end?


Apples to oranges comparison. For starters, I didn't already pay for a
product or service in the store. A better comparison would be paying for
a product and they refuse to give it to me. In addition, I'm not in
another city waiting to get home.

Though I will agree that fighting/resisting police will never win.
Fortunately, it's already been stated the authority did the wrong thing
and heads will roll in that department. They had no right to drag him as
he didn't break any laws.

Following that logic, then the police have no right to remove someone
from a store or restaurant when the management has told them to leave,
the police have told them to leave and they refuse. What a brave new
world that would be.