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Default Grinding or Turning a Morse Taper?

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HI All,

Thanks a ton for the great suggestions. I am still interested in
learning how to cut tapers, so I will try on some scrap pieces.
....and aluminum first.

But it's really hard to beat China inc.! For the price of that
e-bay MT2 to 3/4" tool holder, I just don't know how I could do
better. Even at minimum wage, I would have to cut a taper in under 2
hours to beat it. So I think I will try the tool holder for starters
and see how it goes. If there is too much slop in my tail stock and
it proves to be pointless, I can still use the tool holder and I
haven't altered the shaft of the boring head.

Yes, the boring head shaft is most certainly part of the head. I
looked under a microscope to be absolutely sure there wasn't a seam
hidden away.

As for the Logan, it's a nice lathe. I know the son of the guy who
bought it and started a business with in in 1952, so I know it's whole
history. It survived a fire and 3 moves and all that was missing was
one of the chuck jaws. I've fully restored it and it works nicely.
The cross feed is a bit tapered, as it tends to bind as it feeds in,
but the bed is in decent shape. The compound is new as the original
one was broken. I used parts of the original compound and a new cross
feed to mount a vertical carriage and vice for milling, so I just
slide the cross feed off the end to switch between the two. I *wish*
I had a Bridgeport, but the lathe works fine to mill small things.

Thanks again for the advice! I'm glad this group is still alive and
thriving.

Dan

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Mount something with a Morse #2 shank in the lathe, put a dial
indicator in the tool holder and see how well you can adjust the
compound angle to follow the Morse taper.
-jsw








On Tuesday, April 4, 2017 at 5:35:33 PM UTC-4, Daniel Koller wrote:
Hi folks,

I have a machining question for the group. I have acquired a
nice boring head for a lathe tail stock. It has a smooth adjustment
motion with a big dial calibrated in mils and it would be a really
nice accessory for my 1952 Montgomery Ward / Logan 200 10" lathe.

However, the integral shaft of the head is 3/4" in diameter and
will not fit the Morse #2 taper of my tail stock. So, what can I do
about it?

I was thinking I should cut a Morse taper into the shaft. There
is plenty of diameter and length to do that, and it would allow for
quick swap-outs when I need it. I read through "How to Run a Lathe"
and browsed the various ways to cut a taper:
A) turn the compound to the desired angle and cut at an angle.
B) Offset the tail stock and hold the part between centers. Cut
straight.
C) Use a taper attachment.

I don't have a taper attachment, so C) is out. B) seems a little
iffy and I'd need to grind down a center to clear parts of the
dovetail integrated into the head. Also I don't trust how securely
the part can be held at the necessary offset to get the taper.

So, A) seems to be the best option. I can set the angle to
better than a degree by putting a micrometer on my compound and
running it along the side of a known good MT2 taper held in the
lathe chuck. ...actually, I just calculated, if I get the compound
parallel to the desired taper by 0.5 mils over a 2" length, that's
within 0.15 degrees of the correct angle.

QUESTION 1: How accurate does this angle have to be to have a
good Morse taper? How smooth does the cut have to be? What are
the pitfalls to cutting a taper by rotating the compound?

And it appears that my boring head shaft is soft enough to
scratch with a hard steel cutting tool, so...

QUESTION 2: Do I have to grind the taper or can I cut it with a
carbide tipped turning tool?

I've never cut a taper before, and I need to get this one right
to make sure I don't screw up my boring head, so advice would be
appreciated!

Thanks,

Dan