On 3/12/17 6:32 PM, Leon wrote:
On 3/11/2017 7:43 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
On 3/11/17 6:35 PM, Spalted Walt wrote:
"J. Clarke" wrote:
In article ros8cchrufpfgnoam5tsgb446usf0n8mkt@ 4ax.com,
says...
-MIKE- wrote:
On 3/11/17 1:52 PM, Spalted Walt wrote:
woodchucker wrote:
On 3/10/2017 9:41 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
Speaking of bad woodworking shows.... I stopped by
the Nashville Home & Remodeling Show this afternoon.
It's not a woodworking show, per se, but it was still
pretty terrible.
There were a couple of saving grace booths, however.
A door hardware source that is right in my little
town that can get special orders overnight and they
are starting to carry cabinet door hinges.
The second was a specialty bit and blade company
right in Nashville that makes really great cutting
blades, drill bits, and router bits... router bits
that can be used on solid surface materials,
aluminum, marble, etc. This company also makes
all-purpose drill bits from very, very hard cutter
head material that can bore through porcelain tiles
right after cutting through hardened tool metals. The
guy took the same bit and drilled through a grade 8
bolt, and metal file, a metal lathe cutting head,
then straight to concrete, ceramic and porcelain
tiles.
I was very impressed and bought this pack of bits at
the show price of $100.
https://millnertools.com/collections...ose-drill-bits
Now, I know what you're thinking. "A hundred bucks for a 13 pack of
drill bits!!" Well, yeah, that's what I thought,
too, until I added up what I spent in bits last year
just for putting up safety grab bars on tiled
bathroom walls. I probably spend on average, $17/ea
for ceramic bits and upwards of $30 for diamond bits
and none of them lasted longer than 2 jobs. I was
just figuring the cost of the bit into the job. Now
I don't have to worry about having the right bits.
Best part about these bits.... LIFETIME,
unconditional replacement guarantee. For 2 bucks
shipping, they replace the bit, no questions asked.
Oh, and did I mention they're GREEN? :-) I'll do a
follow-up after I've put some of these bits through
some hard work.
There was a company about 8 years ago, I think BAD DOG
drill bits. Same thing. They were at the wood working
shows. Doing the files, tiles, etc.
Yes it was Bad Dog Tools.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4QEZ6uAwlc
I wonder if they went under, because it's hard to find
anything official from them. Website is down and someone on
Amazon with their name is selling left-overs of only two
products.
Their web server could be down or they might be out of
busniess. Hard to say for sure.
This Joe Strong web site still works ;-)
note the single 'l' http://milnertools.com/
Bad dog seems to be back up.
That said, before buying ask them to drill a file that _you_
provide so you can be sure that they actually perform on real
files and not file-like objects made of, say, cheese.
IF there was a magic drill material available that would handle
abuse like that, EVERY large bit manufacturer (Bosch, Milwaukee,
Dewalt etc) would rush to it immediately. Some trade show demos
are like a carnival hawker's magic show in that you aren't really
seeing what it seems you are seeing.
Welp, I tried them out. I took one and drilled through a porcelain
tile that took me about 10-15minutes to go through with a diamond
bit. It worked fine and took about 4-5 minutes with water
cooling.
I then I took the same bit to some typical, hardware store, cold
rolled, bar stock. Took about 30 seconds to even make a dent. A
30cent steel bit would've gone through it in about 15 seconds.
Sounds like my exact same experience.
I haven't thrown in the towel yet.
I actually talked to a rep on the phone for quite a while yesterday. He
explained some things about the bits that did make sense. I won't go
into too many details until I run them through some more paces.
The short version is that bits for soft steel and meant to cut/slice like
bits for wood, and run at higher speeds. Bits for very hard materials are
meant to scrape, not slice. Softer materials don't "scrape" well.
That is a very condensed version of his explanation and it did make a
lot of sense. However, as I said, I'm going to do a lot more test
driving and have 60 days to do it.
The bottom line on these bits is that I bought them specifically for
drilling through porcelain, fired, tiles and they have performed pretty
well at that. If they continue to do so and I can send them back for
replacement when they dull, then they are worth every penny to me, since
I've spent a lot more in the past year on ceramic bits than I did for
this set.
I will keep everyone updated. :-D
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