On Sun, 19 Feb 2017 10:29:31 -0500, Jack wrote:

On 2/18/2017 9:28 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 18 Feb 2017 13:09:41 -0600, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet

I highly suspect that people dying in auto injuries is less of a result
of complete brake failure.

correct. Mechanical failure is cited in only 10-15% of all automotive
accidents (and that includes things like brake or turn signal lamps
not working) with tire and wheel problems being the majority and total
brake loss WAY down the list.

In the list of causes of fatal auto colisions, mechanical failure
doesn't even make the top 25.

If only 1% die from brake failure, that would be 3-400 a year. If
"they" completely banned the use of ALL saws, I think the lives saved
would be about ZERO.

Proving someone died because their ABS system failed would be next to
impossible, at least in my truck it was intermittent. Rusted lines
would be easier to prove, but looking at a mangled wreck, one might
expect a brake line to be ripped apart. Also, when I was a kid, and
worked in a collision shop, never once do I remember anyone trying to
determine if a mechanical failure caused the wreck. This may have
changed, but I doubt it.

A friend of my wife ran though the side of a building and she said her
gas pedal stuck. Could easily have been brake failure IMO. I believe
it was a Lexus and people were suing them for stuck gas pedals.
and 90%+ of those "stuck gas pedals" were stuck to the floor by a
panicked driver's right foot.
There are virtually NO incidents of a "stuck accellerator pedal"
causing an accident without previous signs of trouble like high idle
speeds or sticky-notchy accelerator action. They NEVER failed
catastrophically with no warning. Whether the driver heeded the
warning or not is another question. The failure mode was a gradual
deterioration causing slow return to idle and/or stiffer throttle
actuation before failure.

Many reports said something like "I had both feet on the brake and it
STILL would not stop" Brake Idle Algorytm solved that issue by
forcing the throttle to idle imediately if the brake pedal was
depressed, but made it impossible to drive the vehicle agressively by
locking the rear wheels with the foot brake while powering through the
"slipperystuff" forcing the vehicle into oversteer. by hanging the
rear end out.

Whacking the brake pedal in the "marbles" was an effective way of
getting the rear to hang out on the R12 rallye car - and simpler than
pulling the hand brake.