On Sun, 12 Feb 2017 10:28:06 -0800 (PST), harry
wrote:

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I have no issues with making use of solar PV and water (I've used both
when camping to good effect) but neither are a real solution for the
country and therefore others shouldn't be further penalised for the
whole scam.



Drivel as usual.

Yeah, it's all working out well for some in Auz eh and they get 3
times the sunshine we do, have half the population we do, 30 x the
size (more room for panels or windmills) and a massively bigger
coastline than we do (tidal / wave / windmills).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renewa...United_Kingdom
And that was two years ago

Yes, and you could add a graph showing that burning babies could be a
form of sustainable fuel but it wouldn't *actually* would it? ;-(

Until they invent a better form of energy storage, no energy source
that can't be relied on 24/7 is worth a squat and then it STILL needs
to be ecologically (and ethically, no getting a great number of
people to pay a small number of people to play house and solar PV)
sound.

Any *truly good* energy source will ... stand on it's own two feet
financially, will be available 24/7 and won't consume more energy and
create more pollution in its inception than it can give out in it's
lifetime.

It will be like the concept of MagLev in that it works, offers great
performance potential and has few moving parts so little to wear out /
maintain (all adding to the cost / carbon footprint).

Or geo-thermal community heating projects or locating datacentres
where the environment can keep them cool.

Or peoples living in a way where they don't consume more than the
earth can naturally provide or it can naturally recycle.

Now I'm enough of a realist to know we are currently way past that
point but who knows if / how long it will now last?

All I do know is that the likes of solar PV and without any realistic
storage solution on the horizon isn't it, well whilst we still have a
batch of dark *every* 24 hours that is. Now, ignoring the questionable
carbon neutrality of solar PV, and even when we can cover our own (UK)
load and had ay 60GW's worth of feed from countries that were lit when
we were dark, what when it's overcast everywhere?

It's just lucky your moral compass was broken when the government
first forced the rest of us to fund you putting that while elephant on
your roof. ;-(

Ere, this could be fun ... tell us the total carbon footprint of your
solar PV system ... that's including say mining the aluminium ore to
make the frames and moving it to the smelting plant and forming it in
to the profiles etc etc (same for the panels, inverters, cables,
installation and final disposal) versus how much energy they will
generate during their lifetimes.

And then how much cash you predict you will earn off us over the same
period, along with how much pollution you think you will save
(considering solar and wind aren't there 24/7 or even close to it).

And you must have done all these numbers, considering 1) your previous
job and 2 (therefore) deciding if to go ahead with the installation or
not (fully considering ethical and ecological grounds of course?).

In the meantime ... I would be happy to contribute towards you FIT
payments if you would go off grid (from a consumption POV).

Talk about wanting us to buy your cake, you eating it and rarely
sharing any (without us having to pay over the top for it anyway!).

Cheers, T i m