On Sun, 12 Feb 2017 13:29:53 +0000, dennis@home
wrote:

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No one is suggesting one shouldn't pay for what one uses and at a fair
and reasonable rate (if social) and all bets are off if it's
commercial but why do you think many governments, agencies and
companies subsidise stuff to make stuff available to people cheaper or
more easily.

*Completely* different to *paying* a minority for indulging
themselves.

So you don't want to pay electricity producers to build plant and supply
electricity then?

Oh, I didn't realise you or harry was building his own nuke! (about
the only form of dependable power we have right now)

Its that attitude that has got is in a mess.

Quite. Not sure what that has got to do with paying the likes of you
or harry to produce and consume their own energy?


it may not be what you
want but life is not fair.

You (in a desperate attempt to justify your own morally corrupt
position) are trying to mix everything up but it won't wash (and never
will).

I am just pointing out that your position is wrong

But it isn't, it's how good society has worked for millions of years.
People looking after each other (often whilst trying to fend off the
greedy and selfish).

and a simple
extension of what you say will destroy society as we know it.

Only the 'what I say' that you seem to have twisted into something
else.


Its the sort of extension that the extreme right wing appears to want so
I guess you are extreme right wing or just haven't actually thought it
through.

Like I said, if you want to try to pigeon hole what I say to make it
better for you to understand then so be it. I have no interest in
politics so can't be held responsible for anything you make up or
don't understand about my words.


Personally I think the way it is is better and spending a bit on others
is a good idea.

Of course you do, as long as it's you (and your kind) the rest of us
are forced to spend more on.

But you spend money on stuff like that all the time, its where tax goes.

What, that actually benefits individuals financially and directly and
without any justification?

Maybe you would have been happier if the government paid FITs and stuff
out of general taxation and just put a carbon tax on fuel?

At least that might have made a bit more sense but I still haven't
seen any real justification to the FIT in the first place (and I don't
consider a knee-jerk reaction to avoiding a fine *justification* to
anything. It's like being told you will be fined if you don't get your
car MOT'd when it should have been MOT'd in the first place.

Then they could have spent it on defence or stuff like that without you
knowing or complaining.

But I'm not discussing those things (and I'm sure there are loads),
I'm just discussing this one thing (but nice distraction again).

Do something for society and few will have any issues you getting
something out of it yourself.

Do something for yourself and with a direct cost to others and those
others will have issues with you.

Well at the time the first solar panels were being installed with the
expensive FIT rates people were being told that they were for the good
of everyone else.

Quite, and so was smoking and drinking an Elixir that contained
mercury but some people had the brains to see though all the hype
before science proved us right.

Given that your solar hot water installation was cheap, how about you
proving that you *are* better than the harrys of this work and taking
yourself off the FIT scheme? Or if you can't, donating any FIT money
you are paid to a charity? I don't want to hear about you having to
recoup the initial costs first because 1) no one told you you had to
do it and 2) any real 'green' solution should be able to stand on it's
own two feet (shouldn't it)?

If I decide to buy a car that is supposed to do better mpg than my
existing one I look into all the facts and estimate the payback time.
If it's not worth doing then I don't so it and I certainly wouldn't
drag other people into it (especially without their permission).

I have no issues with making use of solar PV and water (I've used both
when camping to good effect) but neither are a real solution for the
country and therefore others shouldn't be further penalised for the
whole scam.

Cheers, T i m