On 10/02/2017 01:12, T i m wrote:
On Thu, 9 Feb 2017 22:14:30 +0000, dennis@home
wrote:

On 09/02/2017 19:39, T i m wrote:


And no, I've always paid my dues and never been part of any scam where
I have used others to pay for my earnings.

So you work for all the time you are paid for?

While I was working, pretty much yes.

No extra tea breaks

When I worked with BT (P.O. Factories) you only had breaks at set
times, as I did when IT training. When I worked in the field I CBA to
stop for any other than those required, so no again. When I was at a
base/ office I took tea back to the workshop / my office but it was
often left to go cold (because I was on the phone to a customer or was
busy with my work).

or fag breaks?

Never smoked so no.

There is no excessive profits in what you produce?

What? Are you trying to conflate legitimate commercialism with theft?

Never even taken a pencil for use on a none work project?

I've rarely taken anything I wasn't OK'd to so do (often in lieu of
time / effort).

Hi, Saint Tim.

No (or 'yes' compared to you possibly) but maybe I just have a working
moral compass. I can (try to ) help you fix yours if you like?

Anyroadup ... was all that some sort of sad plot to try to justify FIT
payments? Well, you failed and will always fail because there is no
justification.

Giving someone a grant to say insulate their home ... to save the
country (and them) energy isn't allowing that person to earn money
from anyone else. There is a difference between earning and saving
(look it up).

Allowing electric cars free parking or low / no road tax or even free
charging points (you can see how desperate they are to make this green
BS stick eh!) isn't earning the owners any money, it's saving them
some. Putting a solar farm in a field (for free) is only something you
can / might do if you are going to earn money from it. To earn money
you need people to pay it and that's other electricity consumers.

Put the panels in a field and sell the electricity they produce *at
the going rate* and ONLY for that which you export. Very free would
have any issues with that (unless you try to tell us it's 'Green
energy' when it's not ... it's just not a black as some energy).

*Paying* someone, both over the commercial rate and for what they
consume themselves AND making it inflation proof and guaranteed for
20+ years IS theft, especially if you only make the people who pay
their electric bills (not the Taxpayers) carry the burden.

The government thought it would be a good idea so it's the government
(so everyone they are supposed to represent), pay the bill (or better
still, get real and scrap the theft thing completely).

Cheers, T i m


I think you are confused.
There is no difference between not paying for something that others have
to pay or being paid "FIT".

For example you think its OK for someone to get a grant to save energy
as nobody is paying for it?
The grants for insulation come from the same 5% green tax on energy that
the FIT payments come from.

People avoid the congestion charge because they have a subsidised
electric car, others have to pay the tax.

FIT payments for solar PV are the commercial rates, its what the
government decide was needed to get people to spend their own money on a
project the government didn't want to spend on.

......


In fact I admit I get more from my solar thermal panels in "FIT" than I
would get if it were solar PV. I get paid 19p a unit of heat rather than
the 16p for solar PV.
There is also no way to export that heat.

(However it doesn't cause grid instability like solar PV might.)


You don't get a grant to install solar thermal or solar PV, you pay for
it and the government pays you back over a long time for doing as it asks.
It can take 10 or 12 years before you get the money back.
Only after that time do you actually stand to make a "profit" for your
risk. You may not make any profit if things go wrong and you need lots
of repairs as the government doesn't pay for them.