On Wed, 11 Jan 2017 21:01:24 -0500, wrote:

On Wed, 11 Jan 2017 08:08:12 -0600, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
wrote:

On 1/10/2017 8:15 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 10 Jan 2017 14:34:01 -0600, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
wrote:

On 1/10/2017 12:29 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 9 Jan 2017 09:19:59 -0600, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote:

On 1/9/2017 8:48 AM, notbob wrote:


Martin Eastburn wrote:

Time will tell. Don't forget Diehard and other trade names....

Hard to forget brand names I avoid like the plague. My boss bought a
Diehard marine battery. We hadda replace it within the week.

FWIW, most all batteries are manufactured by just a few manufacturers.
No batteries are exempt from being DOA. Personally I have had good luck
with DieHard and what ever brand Toyota sells.

Sure but, just like appliances, they are made to the seller's
specifications and they are treated differently by the retailers
before installation.



Exactly! So if you are upset with the quality of a product, blame the
importer/retailer that felt that questionable quality would pass, not
the country or origin.

That leap of logic doesn't work. Well, not exactly. Quite often
Chinese made merchandise doesn't even resemble the specs that the
(Chinese) manufacturer was given. BTDT. Now if you say that the
importer should test to make sure their specs are followed... OK,
maybe. There are a lot of specs that are really difficult to test.
You can't test in quality.



Granted, importers will take what ever sells or will be tough on specs.
Chinese Buicks sold here are pretty close to specs, I would say, along
with Triton tools, Milwaukee tools, SawStop, Powermatic, etc

The key with dealing with the Chinese is that you have to have someone
watching over their shoulder, every second. You can't just give them
a spec and expect them to ship something that even resembles the spec.

Get into the no name stuff from China and all bets are off. This is the
stuff yo find at the discount tool stores like Harbor Freight etc.

If there is no specification the product can't fail to meet it. ;-)
The small Tier2 computer manufacturer I worked for 20+ years ago used
to import a lot of parts from both Taiwan and mainland China.
We had a Taiwanese connection that was supposed to assure quality -
emphasise "supposed to"

The first order of a particular part, the whole shipment exceded spec.
By the second shipment you'd be lucky if 75% met spec, and the third
shipment half were junk. - and were quite likely to be a totally
different design.