On Friday, January 6, 2017 at 3:28:00 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Fri, 06 Jan 2017 11:43:08 -0800, Oren wrote:

On Fri, 06 Jan 2017 13:49:12 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 06 Jan 2017 09:38:26 -0800, Oren wrote:

On Fri, 6 Jan 2017 08:14:45 -0800 (PST), trader_4
wrote:

On Wednesday, January 4, 2017 at 11:26:59 AM UTC-5, burfordTjustice wrote:
GOP Rep Introduces National Concealed Carry Reciprocity On Day One of
New Congress

http://www.breitbart.com/2nd-amendme...-new-congress/

My guess is that this is unconstitutional. Can the feds tell states
that they have to recognize another state's carry permit? Sounds
like a state's rights issue. And hypocrisy from those that claim to
be conservative, are against big govt, for state's rights, etc.

A driving license, a privilege, is allowed over state lines. Do you
really think a state can deny a constitutional right afforded under
the U.S. Constitution? People that are legal should not have a right
denied by a state -- period.

The Reciprocity Act has been around for a long time, but not passed.
Now is the time.

I agree with the concept but the problem in a practical sense is CCW
training is mostly about the law and if the self defense laws are
different in each state you would pretty much have to be certified in
each state. If they said that after said training you were good to go,
I would agree it is OK.
You could probably break this down into 3 or 4 classes. It would range
from Texas where you can use force top protect property to dark blue
places where you can't even use force to defend yourself from
intruders in your own bedroom. (obligation to retreat).
My best buddy from school did time in Maryland for killing an intruder
with his bare hands. The prosecution argued that between punch 1 and 2
(the fatal one) he could have run out the door.

You make a point of individual state laws.

"The Law Enforcement Officers Safety Act (LEOSA) is a United States
federal law, enacted in 2004, that allows two classes of persons€”the
"qualified law enforcement officer" and the "qualified retired law
enforcement officer"€”to carry a concealed firearm in any jurisdiction
in the United States, regardless of state or local laws, with certain
exceptions."

I don't know every state law but I can carry under the current LEOSA
law, codified in federal law.

AFAIK self defense is allowed in every state and ruled upon by SCOTUS.

The Reciprocity Act is about "carry".

The point is, once you get into the dark blue states where there is
virtually no CCW now, they have "the obligation to retreat" written
into their law so a "self defense" can be called murder if there was
any possible way to run away. They are even dodgy about protecting
others. Some define it is imminent fear of death, not even bodily
harm. Basically if a "reasonable person" thinks they will just be beat
"half" to death, it is not self defense to use deadly force,
particularly with a weapon.

Where's Kurt on the constitutionality of this? He's our resident
expert. Would be interesting to see his opinion.