On Tuesday, December 13, 2016 at 11:33:50 AM UTC-5, wrote:
On Tue, 13 Dec 2016 07:56:23 -0800 (PST), trader_4
wrote:

On Tuesday, December 13, 2016 at 10:32:14 AM UTC-5, wrote:
On Tue, 13 Dec 2016 06:44:18 -0800 (PST), trader_4
wrote:

On Tuesday, December 13, 2016 at 7:05:06 AM UTC-5, burfordTjustice wrote:
Top U.S. spy agency has not embraced CIA assessment on Russia hacking


http://reut.rs/2hrysSI

Funny how the "top spy agency" can be credible when it suits Trump
and the Trumpets, but totally incompetent and wrong when it does not.
When they concluded based on 11 intel agencies, that Russia was
indeed behind the hacking and
meddling in our election, Trump said they don't know WTF they are
doing, that it wasn't Russia. Now when they are not ready to accept
the next CIA conclusion, that Russia did it to help Trump, well,
now they are credible I guess. Go figure.

And of course all honest, fair Americans want a full investigation of
all of this, to find out to the fullest extent possible, what really
happened. That of course does not include Trump. Trump just picked
a good business friend of the Russians to be sec of state. Let's see
how that goes in the Senate.

A am still not sure what we are accusing them of? Telling us the
truth?

No, illegally hacking, a felony, to meddle with the US election.
And if the CIA is right, to help Trump win over Hillary. CIA believes
they hacked the GOP too, but didn't release whatever they found there.
Hard to imagine that if the Russians wanted to find dirt on Trump,
there was none to be found.



Spying on "sources" is an American tradition, again where is the
shock.

IDK what you mean by spying on "sources". Sure, the media cultivates
sources for information, but IDK of a case where they illegally hacked
into people's emails, into their computers, etc.


Nobody went to jail when Ellsberg stole Pentagon documents

Ellsberg was charged, he got lucky because the govt mishandled the
case, obtained evidence illegally, so it was dropped. Others have
gone to jail for doing similar, Bradley Manning, for example.
Snowden would too, if he ever comes back here.

and
the New York Times had no problem publishing them.
I am also not sure there were any bomb shells in the RNC emails. It
was no secret that they wanted to Dump Trump and every Trump brain
fart was tweeted out in real time.

Nobody at the DNC has denied what they leaked. After all, the
leaks only said that the DNC was making a conscious effort to dump
Bernie and that Hillary was given debate questions before the debates
... like there were some shocking questions.

If they got the same type of thing from the RNC and it was "dump
Trump" it would not be news anyway.


I disagree. There is bipartisan recognition that this needs to be
fully investigated, regardless of who it benefited or harmed. Many
leading Republicans are calling for a full investigation, McConnell,
McCain, Graham, Rubio and there will be one.

Do you think anything will come out of it? It just sounds like a lot
of flash with no heat.

Who knows? Chances are there won't be enough conclusive evidence to
prove anything, but it still should be investigated.


These are all Trump Dumpers. Maybe they just want their Emails,
confirming that, released and make it sound like it was the russian's
fault.


I don't think they are all Trump dumpers. I think every American that
believes our elections should be fair and free of foreign intervention
would want an investigation. People thought those that wanted to
investigate Watergate were just out to get Nixon too. But it turned out
there was real abuse and criminal acts there.




I also wonder what grounds we have to be outraged. It is not like the
US has never influenced elections around the world and in a far more
active way than simply telling the truth about the campaign.

So, we should just accept Russia doing it, welcome it? What will they
do next time?

We are still not really sure the russians did it.

Eleven US intel agencies say the Russians did it. But that's why we
should have a full investigation.


The Israelis had far
more incentive to get Trump elected. Did you see Netanyahu on 60
minutes? He was giddy about Trump.
Their hackers certainly have the skill to leave russian IP addresses
in hack stream.


Again, why we need an investigation. But I don't think Israel had
nearly as much to gain as the Russians. With Trump kissing up to them,
even saying he'd consider recognizing their annexation of Crimea,
it doesn't get better than that.



I really do not have a dog in this fight, I voted for Gary. I just
have a problem with our feigned outrage when our government has done
far worse in elections around the world.
Our CIA has simply worked to have prospective leaders killed if we did
not like them.

Not in recent decades, that's for sure. You'd have to go back 50 years.