On Sunday, December 4, 2016 at 5:23:14 PM UTC-6, Stormin' Norman wrote:
On Sun, 4 Dec 2016 23:05:03 -0000 (UTC), Roger Blake
wrote:
On 2016-12-04, Stormin' Norman wrote:
Freedom isn't free, and currently our citizens are insulated from the
costs of maintaining our representative democracy. We have what is
The usual statist twaddle. Slavery is slavery, no matter how you try
to sugarcoat it with sanctimonious drivel about "maintaining our
representative democracy."
I would not say your argument is entirely invalid, however, I believe
there are distinctions that set conscription well apart from slavery.
Taxation is institutionalized theft, and while it cannot be entirely
avoided as long as the State exists, it should be minimized. The vast
majority of taxes today go to fund the welfare state, not the military.
End the New Deal and the Great Society and taxes will drop drastically.
Institutionalized theft, using your logic one could call Social
Security a Ponzi scheme. However, both statements are wrong as we the
people have legislated and legalized taxation, social security and
conscription. If you did not have a say in these legislations, you
might have a point, however, our society has deemed them to be legal.
If you want to characterize UMS as slavery, that is your business. I
would like to see it implemented as the price of voting citizenship.
If tied to voting, a la Heinlein's "Starship Troopers," rather than
"serve or go to jail/be shot" that takes the idea out of the realm of
slavery and actually makes sense. In fact universal suffrage is a very
bad idea. A lot of the economic problems we face today stem from the
fact that non-producers are permitted to sit on their asses, draw a
welfare check, and continue to vote themselves more and more largesse
out of the public treasury. (Which of course comes out of their more
productive neighbors' pockets.)
I am not familiar with Heinlein or "Starship Troopers" so I am not in
a position to comment.
Heinlein wrote a story turned into a SciFi movie with T&A and a lot of blood and guts, a LOT of blood and guts with the enemy being giant bugs. People who wished to be considered citizens must serve in the military. If you like to see pretty young men and women spattered, crushed and blown up, Starship Troupers is the movie for you. ヽ(ヅ)ノ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvAsR4O4W0w
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_5UZfwX0ss
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52WoFoZnDa0
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