"whisky-dave" wrote in message
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On Friday, 2 December 2016 11:42:21 UTC, John Rumm wrote:
On 02/12/2016 10:22, whisky-dave wrote:
On Thursday, 1 December 2016 17:49:50 UTC, John Rumm wrote:
On 01/12/2016 17:06, whisky-dave wrote:
On Thursday, 1 December 2016 11:33:43 UTC, charles wrote:
In article ,
whisky-dave wrote:
On Thursday, 1 December 2016 00:30:33 UTC, Dave Plowman (News)
wrote:
In article , Tim Watts
wrote:
On 30/11/16 18:00, charles wrote:
I have that problem in a shower room. To wire in permanently
means
removing a factory fitted, moulded on plug. Doing that negates
the
guarantee,


I'm pretty sure it doesn't.

Can't see why it would if the plug is correctly fitted.

Isnt it simialr to a sticker falling off saying "warrenty void if
removed". All it means is the company refused to guarentee
something that
could have been '****ed' with and then put back together so it's
not
noticable.

I;'m not saying they are right to claim this it';s just what they
say.

It;'s similar to lifetime guarantees where the con is that you have
to
have a reciept why ? If a product is faulty it goers back to the
manufacter for replacement NOT the store, as where you brought it
should
be irrelivant.

If a product is faulty it goes back to the store from which you
bought it.
You have no contract with the manufacturer.

A friend had a canon camecoder 500i that was sent back to canon under
guarantee
NOT to the store.

That may well be the case in that situation.

However, the legal responsibility belongs to the merchant it was
bought
from.

How does a merchant know how long any product will last ?

They don't exactly.

No one knows exactly.

They will however usually only put on sale a product
of "merchantable quality" since they know the buck will stop with them.

That's how reputable merchants sell yes.

Obviously they weigh up their expected returns costs when deciding on
product lines to carry.

Obviously.
Places like currys sell extended warremties via 3rd party componies if a
TV goes back to currys they send it on the the 3rd party company.


If a manufactuer guarantees a product for life then why should they
merchant support it for life ?

They don't have to.

Exactly.

The certainly need to offer the "normal" 1 year
warranty.

depending on what they are selling of course.

Then there is a bit of a grey area as to whether they should
also offer more depending on a rather more woolly reasonable expected
life criteria, with a statute of limitations of six years. Legal
precedent would suggest they should, but they will also generally put up
resistance to anything over the year.

Yes Obviously.


It's a con that you've fallen for as most people have to.

There is a fairly simple concept in law, that you can't bind a third
party to the terms of a contract that they have not signed and have not
even seen.

Who's the 3rd party ?

In this situation, the consumer who buys the product from a retailer.

And yuo still have to abide by the T&Cs of teh product

Not when they are contrary to local law you dont.

And you dont have to abide by anything in
the T&C that removes your legal rights either.

Microsoft claims that you can't use the MS OEM OS that comes
with the hardware you bought on any other hardware. That is
legally null and void and there is no legal reason why you can
not do that as long as you paid for the hardware and the software.

and the comnpany

You have not dealt with the manufacturer at all, regardless
of what they might or might not claim in their T&Cs.

which is why htye put teh viuod if removed stickers on things.

That is legally null and void when its on a desktop PC that has always
been explicitly designed so the owner can add and remove components.

Just as true of any retailer actually stupid enough to put a sticker like
that on a laptop if you just change the battery or add more memory etc.

If a manufacturer is going to promote a product as having
a lifetime guarantee, they will also have to come to an
arrangement with the retailers to provide cover for that,
otherwise the retailer would be reluctant to sell it.

So why send a product back to apple via applecare
when you can get PC woprld to sort it ?

Neither provide a lifetime guarantee of apple products.

It may be more convenient to have apple repair it under
applecare than to get PC world to send it back to Apple
and to have Apple send it to PC world again after its fixed.

And applecare is an extended warranty that you pay for too.