On 11/26/2016 10:09 AM, trader_4 wrote:
On Friday, November 25, 2016 at 11:10:19 AM UTC-5, Muggles wrote:
On 11/25/2016 8:31 AM, trader_4 wrote:
On Thursday, November 24, 2016 at 2:21:29 PM UTC-5, Muggles wrote:
On 11/24/2016 9:44 AM, trader_4 wrote:
On Wednesday, November 23, 2016 at 6:09:26 PM UTC-5, Muggles wrote:
On 11/23/2016 4:56 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 11/23/2016 2:34 PM, Muggles wrote:
"the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense,
founded on the Christian religion."
Article XI, Treaty of Tripoli - 1797
This isn't to say people haven't introduced god(s) into discussion. It
means the Government was not founded upon christianity. It is the law
of the land and the official position of our government.
You're wrong, and I've provided quotes in other posts from our founding
fathers themselves.
You gave some quotes of their personal opinions. They are entitled to
have an opinion and use that as a reason to fight for independence. But
the Constitution does not include religion as a part of its core.
Founding fathers were smart enough to give us freedom to pray and
believe as we wish, or not.
Religion is how people seek or relate to God. Religion isn't required
to acknowledge or even mention God, and God/Creator/Divine
Providence/Supreme Judge of the world IS mentioned in the Constitution,
AND given credit for the inspiration and direction the colonists took to
separate from the King of England.
I think Ed suggested you actually go read the Constitution. If you did,
you'd know that God is not mentioned in it. Neither is god in the Bill
of Rights. Please stop embarrassing yourself.
geesh ...
"Done in Convention by the Unanimous Consent of the States present the
Seventeenth Day of September *in the Year of our Lord* one thousand
seven hundred and Eighty seven and of the Independence of the United
States of America the Twelfth In witness whereof We have hereunto
subscribed our Names...."
Article VII
http://www.heritage.org/constitution...station-clause
Which side of the argument you stand on regarding this statement is
probably related to your own personal beliefs regarding the role God
played in the foundation of our country.
Here are 2 interesting arguments:
http://joshblackman.com/blog/2012/08...-constitution/
http://www.apologeticspress.org/apco...=7&article=297
Boy, that's as lame as it gets. They are referring to the year, which as
our dating system goes, is AD, meaning "year of the lord". They could
WRONG - the text says: "year of *our* Lord". There's a difference.
How pathetic. Having to try to cling to shreds that aren't even part
of the constitution, but refer to the year. And at the same time, ignoring
what it does clearly say, equal protection under the law for all.
What is CLEARLY does say id "year of *our* Lord". The distinction is
important enough for there to be 2 different camps on WHY the word "our"
was used vs. "the".
You don't really delve into analysis, or the "why" of things very often,
do you?
Why would they use "our", and capitalize "Lord" vs. using "the", which
could refer to the generic dating system? Why use the phrase "our Lord"
at all??
If they were so damn intent of making this a christian nation, why the
hell is the only reference that you can come up with is a lame reference
to the year of the lord in the date? Why isn't it just spelled out in]
one of the articles? Why isn't God or religion mentioned anywhere?
The rest of us know the answer.
The founding fathers did NOT want to make this a CHRISTIAN nation with a
national religion. They intended to create a nation based on CHRISTIAN
principles where GOD given freedoms and principles were allowed to thrive.
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Maggie