On 10 Mar 2004 22:48:33 -0800, (No Time) wrote:

"Mike Kohary" wrote in message ...
"DarkMatter" wrote in message
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On Sun, 7 Mar 2004 17:24:14 -0800, "Mike Kohary" Gave
us:

Degradation or lack thereof was never a reason for the fair use rights of
consumers.

That actually was one of the arguments that swayed the decision.

The degradation of VHS tapes, which is what the law was drafted
based on arguments that they shouldn't have to be repurchased.

That may have come later, but the original argument involved videotaping
shows off of TV broadcasts. Maybe I need to re-read the original casefile
(it's been a long time), but I don't believe degradation was an issue at
that time.

Anyway, it's obviously irrelevant today. Discs don't degrade (at least on
our time scale), but that doesn't change the fact that you're allowed to
make a copy for your own personal use.

No digital extractions and no full res "backups" should be ever
considered legal. It opens the door to the thieves, regardless of how
honorable or noble your intentions are.

But you can't infringe on the rights of innocent people because of what you
fear the criminal element might do.

All rights aren't inalienable, sorry. I'm perfectly willing to give up
my "right" to ever copy anything digital if it'll **** off even one
pirate for just one second.

On this, at least, we're united - I wouldn't give a fig for your rights.

Considering the property owners'
counterattacks have done alot more than that (and in an admittedly
short time as well), and I wave goodbye to such "rights" and laugh and
laugh and laugh.

You might need to check some of the grammar there - and see a specialist about that
compulsive-laughter disorder.

We see entirely too much of that today
already, and it's not a justification.

Sure it is. The pirates fired the first (billion) shots, they're
getting ****ed up the ass now, and all is right with the world. If you
(assuming you're being honest which is almost beyond comprehension at
this point) don't get to "backup" your DVD's anymore, so be it. Thank
the pirates.

How far are we going to allow that
to go?

LOL, "first they came for the people who backed up their DVD's..."
You're a joke. You realize that, right?

I think you'll find that you're the oddball here.


I am a perfectly law-abiding consumer,

I doubt that.

Does anyone care about your doubts? I doubt it.

and if I want to make a copy of a DVD
I legally purchased, for my own personal use, I should be able to do so.

No you shouldn't. Your contrived desires don't supersede the property
holder's rights to protect themselves from gutless cowards who traffic
in P2P.

Too many bogus assumptions - and exchanging DVDs on P2P is hard-going even for broadband.
Try thinking before you type.

What another person might do shouldn't intrude on my rights as a consumer to
do this.

Blame the pirates. BTW, "wants" would more neatly encapsulate the
precious "rights" you're fighting tooth and nail to protect.

What on earth are you blathering about. "Rights" are always preceded by, and fought for
as a result of, "wants".


Mike