On Sun, 18 Sep 2016 09:26:57 -0500, Don Foreman
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On Sat, 17 Sep 2016 20:13:43 -0700, Larry Jaques
wrote:

On Sat, 17 Sep 2016 20:00:16 -0500, Don Foreman
wrote:

On Sat, 17 Sep 2016 07:34:24 -0700, Larry Jaques
wrote:



Those only last a couple years, yeah? I've replaced quite a few
photosensors over the years in PIR lamp fixtures.

Didn't know that! We'll see, I guess.

The failure rate is ghastly, and invariably they short. Some last a
year, some 20, but in most cases, I've just turned the light on at
night & off in the morning. Often, I've moved to a PIR, and once the
sensor shorts, I just let it shine (5 min timer) the few times I pass
it in the day.

The marginally-designed Chinese 117-volt switch-on-when-dark modules
may fail, but CdS photocells are very reliable. The CdS photocell is
just a photoresistor that varies from a low resistance (a few K) in
presence of light to a high resistance (megohms) in total darkness.

The Chinese dark switches in lights probably use a triac to switch AC
line voltage. Triacs can get zapped by transients, and they'd fail
short when that happens. The remedy is to use higher-voltage triacs,
but that'd cost another few pennies. Designers and mfrs of traffic
controls never use less than 600-volt triacs, and they are protected
from transients with tranzorbs and MOVs.

Yeah, but the advice from Legal is to cheap out and make more money by
selling all those replacement units whose failure was caused by
knowingly cheaping out. Business Anti-Ethics 101, I guess.

"We've met the enemy and it is us." Pogo Possum.

Ain't dat de trufe?


They couldn't sell that cheap crap at Wal-Mawrt and Depot if
consumers didn't put price ahead of function. They work when they go
out the door.

Well, when American companies charge $36 for the same item you can get
from China for a buck, something else is wrong, as well. I'll happily
pay a 20% upcharge to buy American, but I sure as hell won't pay 300
to 3,500% more for nothing. For things I rely on, I'll pay the extra
price for a better design, but I demand value rather than a price
point.

I retired a bunch of 100w equivalent Chiwanese CFLs due to color
rather than death rate. I found that I much preferred cool white or
daylight bulbs to warm white. Enough to throw $20 worth of bulbs out.
(stored, not trashed) That's not easy for a tightw^H^H^H^H^H^Hfrugal
person like myself.


Similar is true of CF lights. The lights themselves will last for
years if the integral electronic ballasts don't blow up. I've never
had a CF fail, but I've had the electronics fail after just a few
months of service. When I dissect them, it amazes me that they could
ever have worked at all.

g Yeah, I've had more than my share of magic smoke leak out of CFLs
over the years, all from cheap electronics, regardless of US or
offshore manufacture.

--
The goal to strive for is a poor government but a rich people.

--Andrew Johnson