On Sun, 18 Sep 2016 04:17:31 +0200, westom
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;3625462 Wrote:
On Sat, 17 Sep 2016 19:48:55 -0400,
ISO9000 just means you are producing well documented junk
That is what business school graduates claim as they subvert well proven
concepts. And then blame employees for resulting failures. What Ralph
Mowery posted is routine when a boss is the enemy. Subverts what he
cannot understand. That says business school concepts are the reason
for so many failures.

They could not find even one engineer who said it was safe to launch the
Challenger. Engineers were not even permitted to participate in a vote.
Those business school graduates knew only they - trained managers -
could make that decision. So they killed seven astronauts. Just
another example of what happens when business school training denies and
subverts well proven methods and solutions.
I've gone through the ISO certification system - and there is NOTHING
in the system that produces a better product. It just means if you
build junk it will be more or less consistent junk - and well
documented. It DOES allow you to trace back and find out where the
problem came from if you can isolate what the problem is..

When management is trying to reduce costs it is usually not hard to
tell where the problem came from - it came from buying the cheapest
part somewhere to save $0.05

It doesn't necessarily change the mind of the accountant responsible
for the decision.

You can source all your parts from iso9000 registered suppliers, but
as long as their supplier is willing and anxious to provide them with
parts with "fudged" certification stickers, it doesn't help anything.
The accountants try to save $0.05 per unit to recouip the hundred
thousand dollars plus they spent on the ISO certification so they can
sell to government accounts.

At leastthat's how it worked in the computer business.

After getting ISO certification the quality actually DROPPED - for
the above stated reasons. It's not "business school graduates" saying
this - it's business school "graduates" doing it. The manager/CEO
calined to be a "Harvard MBA" and the controller/CFO was an anally
retentive old-school CMA - two worse pains in the ass could not
possibly have been thrown into contact with each other in your worst
nightmares.