On Tue, 30 Aug 2016 21:05:51 -0400, Ed Huntress
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On Tue, 30 Aug 2016 20:04:10 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 30 Aug 2016 16:21:17 -0400, Ed Huntress
wrote:

On Tue, 30 Aug 2016 13:03:13 -0700, Larry Jaques
wrote:

On Tue, 30 Aug 2016 09:09:51 -0400, "Jim Wilkins"
wrote:

"Larry Jaques" wrote in message
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When Oregon mandated oxygenated (ethanol) gas in 2004?, my gas
mileage
went down 15%. If I have to burn 15% more gas when using 10%
ethanol,
how can that -possibly- be better for the environment or the attempt
to stop importing foreign oil for fuel? Especially when ethanol has
been proven to consume more energy to create than it gives back?
I'd like to whup these idiots upside the haid, I would.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxygenate

So, how do you reduce smog when using 15% more fuel? It's all PC
bull****. You add 10% ethanol to fuel and lose 15% fuel mileage, so
you're still down 5% PLUS you have to make and buy the ethanol.
Typical Algoreesque scheme, I tell ya.

This morning I found out that it was the Oregon Global Warming
Commission (what a farce) which caused us to be strapped with ethanol
infected gasoline.

Meanwhile, the corn going to make ethanol causes food prices to rise
and all the while, the gov't is giving corn and ethanol producers
windfall profits to make it.

If you're losing 15% of your gas mileage with E10, something is
screwed up in your truck. Extensive testing shows around 3.7% average
loss with E10.

In fact, I think that a 15% loss with E10 is physically impossible,
but stoichiometry is not my thing.

If you want to see the results of some extensive testing with various
blends, including with small, "non-road" engines, here's a summary:

http://feerc.ornl.gov/pdfs/pub_int_b...t1_updated.pdf
In the real world, E10 generally yields 3.5 to 5 % loss of fuel
economy

Just curious -- how are these "real world" measurements done and
documented?
Scanguage to record. Same driving done day after day
one tank hooch free, next tank with hooch, then back to hooch free
(just as a base-- both hooch free within a percent or two - 5% less
with hooch.