On Thu, 4 Aug 2016 14:00:45 -0700, Rudy Canoza
wrote:

On 8/4/2016 12:20 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 8/4/2016 2:38 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
On 8/4/2016 11:31 AM, Governor Swill wrote:
On Wed, 3 Aug 2016 12:38:09 -0700, Mike Colangelo
wrote:

On 8/3/2016 10:43 AM, Governor Swill wrote:
On Tue, 2 Aug Just Wondering wrote:
On 8/1/2016 9:52 PM, Governor Swill wrote:
Women are always more responsible, especially about
kids, than men.

If you said generally rather than always, I might agree.
But if what you wrote ("always") was true there would be
fewer abortions,

Getting an abortion is not taking responsibility for a surprise or
unwanted pregnancy?

"taking responsibility" would be not having an unwanted pregnancy in
the
first place.

Which makes men equally liable.

No, not equally. Men don't get pregnant. If a woman doesn't want to
get pregnant, she can either abstain from sex or take contraceptive
measures. The woman always bears the greater responsibility for an
unwanted pregnancy.

It is just mind-boggling that the out-of-wedlock pregnancy and birth
rates got sky-high in the 1970s and 1980s after contraception became
widely and *cheaply* available, and after women became "empowered"
[chortle] following the sexual "revolution". Simply inexcusable.


The problem is not availability of contraception, it is attitude. Males
think it is macho to make babies,

That's bull****. Most unattached men having sex with women either don't
think about a baby being conceived, or don't want it to happen but
aren't willing to take the first step to prevent it. I think even in an
age of many men thinking "that's *her* problem," they still would rather
a baby not be conceived, because some women will come after them for money.

All of which is just another way of saying that men don't accept their
responsibilities in matters conception. They never have and maybe they
never will. None of your argument addresses whether or not they
should, only whether they do.

It's not a matter of appropriate "liability" or responsibility. It's a
matter of males' social underdevelopment of character and morals.
That's what you get from a historically patriarcal society.

--
Ed Huntress