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On Mon, 04 Jul 2016 19:05:17 +0100, Andrew
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On 03/07/2016 21:50, bert wrote:
In article , James Wilkinson
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On Fri, 01 Jul 2016 23:24:50 +0100, bert
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Older people actually make a net contribution to the economy
of
about
£58bn per year.
From what? They don't work.
http://www.goldagepensioners.com/research
Employers NI is no longer paid once you reach state pension age,
even if you keep on working. Since NI is just tax with a
cuddly name (and has been for decades), this loophole should be
shut.
It's high time that NI is merged with income tax, with
proper bands. THis would do away with all the nasty side-effects
of earning a bit more but ending up worse off. It would also
claw back some of the eye-wateringly excessive pensions that
14,000 retired civil servants are trousering. This group has
climbed the greasy pole and ended up with salaries of £100,000+
and in quite a few cases £200,000+ and are getting pensions of
£50,000+ per year. Many are still working yet once past 65 they
don't pay NI.
Agreed. In fact ALL taxes should be in income tax.
Even sillier than you usually manage.
Makes a lot more sense to pay for roads using a tax on the fuel
etc.
No, because that's twice as much trouble to collect.
It costs **** all to collect when its done on at the
wholesale/refinery
level.
********. Every single business in the UK is having to do paperwork.
And wouldn't have to if it was charged at the wholesale/refinery level.
And the paperwork is completely automatic
anyway, that's what we have computers for.
Ask any business how much hassle VAT, wage taxes, etc, etc is.
They just don't like paying the inland revenue what they owe.
I'm talking about the time taken.
There is no time taken when its computerised.
And the tax office is having to process it and check for cheating.
Trivially easy to do that when done at the wholesale/refinery level.
Funny how VAT isn't done like that.
Because you lot are too stupid to do it that way.
VAT is stupid done any way.
Leaves income tax alone for dead.
The shop I buy a loaf of bread at has to deal with VAT.
Even you should have noticed that car engines don't
work too well when you use bread in the petrol tank.
Where did I say car? VAT is on everything,
Nope, plenty of stuff is VAT free.
not just fuel.
Those that are richer will also be spending more,
But none of that spending will be taxed at all with just an income
tax
They already paid the tax when they earned the money.
Not when they show no income they don't.
They must have got the money from somewhere. They earned that money
when
they were younger.
Doesn't mean it was taxable income then either.
And your point is?
That they don't pay any tax at all if there is just income tax.
Hardly fair that the richest pay no tax at all.
and the richer wont be paying any income tax either because
it is so easy for them to avoid showing any income.
Then close the loopholes.
Not even possible.
Very easy to find out how much someone is earning.
Then you can tell us how much Soros is earning.
Very easy for someone in the tax department to find out.
Nope, all they ever know is what he tells them, not what his real income is.
And if they have a luxury yacht and claim they get minimum wage, they're
lying, throw them in jail.
Not possible to throw them in jail without proving
that that luxury yacht actually belongs to them and
that some foreigner hasn't just let them use it.
****ing obvious when someone is rich.
Not with the worst of the scrooges it isnt.
Or even with someone like Buffet.
Apart from being fairer,
Even sillier than you usually manage.
Why do you believe it's not fair?
Because it is so easy for the richer to avoid showing any income.
Much harder for the average wags slave to do that.
And it makes no sense for those whose entire income
is benefits to be paying income tax on what they receive
from the govt because that is in one pocket and straight
of the other.
They'd be below the lowest income tax bracket, as they currently are.
So they pay no tax at all and use most of the services
that govt provides. What is fair about that. With the
current system they do pay tax on what they consume.
As you said that's pointless. If there was no VAT on what they consume,
the government could give them less benefits. The government gives them
extra so they can give it back in VAT.
But when most fresh food is VAT free, not even possible
to work out how much VAT they will be paying.
You don't need to. You give them enough to live on, and that can be
calculated easily.
Like hell it can when one of them cooks using
entirely VAT free ingredients and another only
ever eats fast food, currys, ready meals etc.
there would be so much less paperwork for businesses and the tax
office.
But is trivially easy to avoid showing any income, particularly
with
businesses.
Most people aren't a business.
But you don't need to be a business to avoid showing any income.
Don't they have PAYE in Australia?
Corse we do, but the rich don't pay it, just like there. You
seriously believe that Liz and Phil and Big Ears pay PAYE ?
You're talking about the minority.
Still unfair that they pay no tax under your hare brained scheme.
If they already don't, then my scheme is no worse.
With VAT and fuel taxes and grog excuse duty as
well as income tax, they are forced to pay some tax.
With your hare brained scheme they don't pay a penny.
And a small number of people can be investigated easily.
Fat lot of good investigating them is when they have no income.
If someone has no income, they shouldn't be paying tax.
When someone has a ****ing great swag of income like Soros has,
and pretends to have no income, he should be paying what he owes.