FromTheRafters wrote :
trader_4 explained on 7/4/2016 :
On Monday, July 4, 2016 at 2:51:26 PM UTC-4, FromTheRafters wrote:
After serious thinking trader_4 wrote :
On Sunday, July 3, 2016 at 11:40:02 PM UTC-4, FromTheRafters wrote:


See, this is why you're the village idiot. V = IR. Just because I is
zero, that doesn't make R zero. You really should have taken basic
algebra.

Of course not, current and resistance are *inversely proportional* when
voltage is held invariant. The extremes would be zero and infinity.


Irrelevant. Put zero in for I, you get V = 0. Again, please take a
course
in algebra.

Ohm's law is a formula. As such I should be able to 'plug in' two values
for two of the variables and obtain the third by using one of the other
two equations.

You are now giving me V=0 and I=0 so now I should be able to determine
what the resistance is. The formula (using algebra) can be manipulated to
R=V/I for this purpose and then that equation solved for R. If I is zero,
it doesn't work.


You can't use the formula when it requires dividing by zero. There is
no need to divide by zero to solve for V when I is zero. Capiche?
You just insist on trying to force division by zero, when it's not
required. Go back to the apples example.



Ohm's Law works for 'voltage drop' because 'voltage drop' *requires* that
there be (non-zero) current through a (non-zero) resistance. This is the
original point which started this discussion.

Ohm's law requires no such thing. Ohn's law is a straight line and it
goes right through the origin. Did you plot it yet? I mean this is
incredibly dumb. Simple electricity 101 test question:

You have a 100 ohm resistor. Per Ohm's law, what is the voltage with:

A - 1 amp flowing
B - 20 amps flowing
C - 0 amps flowing

Everyone else that has weighed in on this knows the correct answers are
100 volts, 2000 volts, 0 volts. You're the only dummy who says we
don't know what the voltage is in case C.

You're lucky to have so many imaginary friends, I only had one and that was a
long time ago.

Again, you are trying to force division by zero, when no division by
zero is needed. V = IR, it's all multiplication.

Except by the *formula* for Ohm's law it can be stated that I and R are
inversely proportional for any given V. So, as 'I' goes toward zero 'R'
goes toward infinity. If 'I' *is* zero then 'R' *is* infinity and you are
attempting to multiply zero by infinity to get a non-non-zero 'V'.


Try taking algebra and electricity 101 and get back to us

This is like saying I have groups of apples in threes. If I select X
groups, how many apples do I then have in total.

T = N x 3 5 groups I have 15 apples total

You just pulled an 'N' and a 'T' out of your hat, and what happened to
'X'? Oh, I see, it shrunk and became a little 'x'. Are you trying to come
up with 3.141592 . . .?

Maybe you need an apple puree formula?


That's why you're the village idiot. Everyone else saw what I meant.


How many apples do I have with N=0? Equation gives 0, a valid number.

Of course, but you might have zero groups of 528 apples or zero groups of
498745 apples or zero groups any number of apples to get the same total
number of apples. An equation makes no claims of the relationships between
the values.

Your answer, "You can't do that because you could transform that
equation into:

T/N = 3.

And OMG we're dividing by Zero!

I thought 'N' was five.

Maybe you need a nap?


You need to take HS algebra.


The number of apples per group and the number of groups of apples and the
number of total apples in your example are not claiming to be a formula,
so the relationships between them is not important.


T = N x 3 most certainly is a formula. It gives the total number
of apples. Again, you're really lost here.


If on the other hand you claim that the number of apples per group is
inversely proportional to the number of groups of apples for any given
number of total apples then yes, because it is a formula when the
relationships are considered.

Why are you allowing me to troll you like this, are you some kind of
mathochist?

Good to see you admit you're a troll.

You're very rude to people here, so I thought you would like some
competition. If you can't take it, don't dish it out.


I'm only rude to assholes like you that can't do basic algebra
and then lecture the rest of us, who can.

I'll test your theory tomorrow. I don't know exactly how far away work is,
but I do know that if I travel at a rate of a mile a minute I can time myself
and derive the distance using D=RT as an equation.

Better yet, to save gas, I will get in my truck in the driveway and won't
even start it. My rate will be zero and you say that the time doesn't matter
and the distance becomes zero.

When my neighbor gets upset about his cornfield suddenly becoming a parking
lot and his house being demolished by a factory landing on it, I will tell
him that some idiot on USENET convinced me to do it as an experiment.

I'm putting *my* money on the time being infinite when the rate is zero and
my workplace staying right where it is because of D=RT being a formula. It's
a good thing too, because we're not zoned for industry up here.

I'm sure my boss will forgive me for not working tomorrow when I explain that
the alternative was to have his factory dropped on a farmhouse and a
cornfield in a non-industrial zone.

If you are correct, it should make the evening news, so have someone read the
newspaper to you - or just look at the photos that are likely to accompany
the story. Everybody has a camera these days.

Hello I'm nurse Ratchet and I found Mister Fromtherafters sitting in
his truck in the driveway this afternoon and asked him why and he said
he was conducting an experiment and when I asked him how much longer he
would be there he said forever or until a factory crushes the farmhouse
next door. I figured he skipped his meds so I gave him a sedative and
put him in his bed and tightened the restraints. What? Know what? New
what? Oh.
It's like hitting enter to create another line.


Wow! If I do it twice it comes out double spaced.

This is so cool.

The microphone isn't picking up your voice so I will try to relay what
you say.

Tell the traitor.
I now know where.
He gets all those.
Village idiot awards.
Which he tries.
To palm off.
On everyone else.

It doesn't make sense to me but maybe people who read this will know
what it means.

It is amazing. This peach wreck ignition stuff works flawlessly so
there should be no problem communicating with him once the sedative
wears off.

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Disclaimer - This is not intended to be taken seriously, I am
unrestrained.