Dave Plowman (News) wrote
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michael adams wrote
Tim Streater wrote
tabbypurr wrote
Adrian wrote

Anyway, wtf does "sovereignty" actually _MEAN_?

Oh boy. It means we can vote political parties
out of office if we don't like what they do.

Such as invading Iraq and using billions of taxpayers
money to bail out the banks, so as to keep paying
bankers their million pound bonuses you mean ?

Do you have any clue how much worse it would be
if we have no vote whatsoeevr over our lawmakers?

That can often be difficult to assess.

Not really. It isnt hard to see how that works in say
Singapore, Zimbabwe, the EU etc where there is no real
way for the voters to have any effect on policy at all.

They seem to spend a great deal of time doing
patch up laws which often don't work,

They mostly do work quite well with the stuff that matters.

rather than anticipating what needs to be done.

The EU doesn’t do that either. Couldn’t even work out
how to make the euro work, or even how to handle the
hordes of 'refugees' either or even how to avoid lots of
people from places like Romania showing up in Britain
and France etc and ****ing the locals off completely and
seeing something like half of them want to leave the EU.

Sure, those are very intractable problems, but at least when
the locals do get to give their politicians the bums rush at
the ballot box when they are ****ed off enough about what
they have done policy wise, that does work rather better than
when the only alternative is to leave the EU or to have a full
civil war as so many european countrys have had etc.

It means we have some control over our lives.

Such as choosing which of two Old Etonians
will be our next Prime Minister you mean ?

As opposed to having someone in control thousands of miles away
that has nothing but indifference & mild resentment against Britain,
is making laws primarily for others' benefit, and frankly couldn't care
less. And who we can never remove. If you can't work out which is
better you should take your brain back for a refund.

If there were mild resentment against the UK in
the EU, just who do you think is to blame for that?

Its never that black and white. Much of it is just mindless bigotry as we
can see with harry and the turnip and with you with the right wingers.

There always has been a vocal minority in the UK
who've done everything in their power to try and
make the EU fail and bad mouth it at every turn.

And every country on earth has those.

To the extent where all EU legislation bad. All UK
legislation good. No logic - just the usual bigotry.

Yes, but you do plenty of that too, particularly with
UKIP and the turnip.

Plus getting shot of all the Polish plumbers
and builders while at the same time

I hope not. Out of the EU we actually have a choice on these things.

And deciding just who out of the current
EU immigrants can stay would take years.

Doesn’t take any time at all to decide that all those who
are currently in Britain are free to stay unless they choose
to flout the most important laws in the country and that
those who want to come in future will have Britain decide
which of them it allows to move to Britain, just like it already
does with everyone except EU citizens and the Irish.

Not something the majority of the outer racists will be willing
to stomach. They want them all gone the very next day.

That is just more of your bigotry. And it doesn’t matter
what those want anyway, they aren't going to get it.