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Default Where should smoking be illegal?

On 6/8/2016 5:52 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 8 Jun 2016 00:25:16 -0500, Muggles
wrote:

On 6/7/2016 12:57 PM,
wrote:
On Tue, 7 Jun 2016 12:42:00 -0500, notX
wrote:

On 06/05/2016 07:02 PM, Muggles wrote:

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Not dangerous?? How do you know 10 times that amount isn't in a puff of
secondhand smoke?

Still the "one instance" fallacy? As if "one puff" is all there is.

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The preeminent safety organization in the government sets daily limits
for toxins and the concentrations in second hand smoke does not even
bump the needle. I gave the example of Chlorine, one of the deadliest
war gasses ever unleashed on mankind yet getting a little whiff when
you pour bleach into your washer is harmless and they put it in your
drinking water. Typical municipal water runs about 3ppm chlorine and
that is far higher than any of the toxins in cigarette smoke. How many
thousands of gallons of water do you use in a year?


Even one puff of tobacco harmful, reports surgeon general

he 704-page report, the 30th surgeon general's report to address
tobacco, "validates earlier findings, expands and strengthens the
science base, and describes in great detail the multiple ways that
tobacco smoke damages every organ in the body, resulting in disease and
death," according to its executive summary.

Tobacco smoke contains more than 7,000 chemicals and compounds,
including hundreds that are toxic and at least 70 that cause cancer,
according to the report. That means there is no "risk-free level of
exposure" to tobacco smoke. *Even a whiff of tobacco smoke* can
adversely affect the body, the report concludes.

"The chemicals in tobacco smoke reach your lungs quickly every time you
inhale, causing damage immediately," Surgeon General Regina Benjamin
said in a statement. "*Inhaling even the smallest amount of tobacco
smoke can also damage your DNA*, which can lead to cancer."

The lining of the lungs becomes inflamed as soon as it is exposed to
cigarette smoke, and, over time, the smoke can cause chronic lung
diseases such as emphysema and chronic bronchitis, according to the
report. *Even brief exposure to secondhand smoke can cause heart disease
and can trigger heart attacks*. Chemicals in tobacco smoke quickly
damage blood vessels and make blood more likely to clot, increasing the
risk for heart attacks, strokes and aneurysms.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...120905910.html


That sounds more like opinion than science.
If this was true ...
"Tobacco smoke contains more than 7,000 chemicals and compounds,
including hundreds that are toxic and at least 70 that cause cancer,
according to the report. That means there is no "risk-free level of
exposure" to tobacco smoke."

... It would not be safe to leave the oxygen tent because most of
those chemicals are present from other sources every day.
If you believe this bull****, maybe we should be talking about the
chemicals in a milk bottle.,

Bear in mind the SG is not a scientist, she is a political appointee


Here is another study:

http://www.bioline.org.br/pdf?st15007

International Journal of Environment Science and Technology
Center for Environment and Energy Research and Studies (CEERS)
ISSN: 1735-1472
EISSN: 1735-2630
Vol. 12, No. 1, 2015, pp. 73-86

Experimental and computational study of particulate matter of secondhand
smoke in indoor environment

Tobacco smoke changes chemically and physically after it is released
into indoor air; these changes can increase secondhand smoke (SHS) toxicity.

SHS is a mixture of two forms
of smoke: side stream smoke, which is smoke from the end
of a lighted cigarette, and main stream smoke, smoke that
is exhaled by a smoker. The residuals of tobacco smoke
that are left on a variety of indoor surfaces are generally
considered as ‘‘thirdhand smoke (THS).’’ These residuals
are reacting with indoor pollutants to create a toxic mixture
which cause adverse health effects.

A number of relevant studies have been performed to
investigate tobacco smoke in indoor environment (e.g.,
see link for references) measured fine particles in four different
indoor environments, a lecture room, a restaurant, and two types of
offices, and determined that the highest concentration was recorded in
the restaurant. Another study in Perth, Western Australia, involved air
quality measurements in 20 social venues that permitted smoking and
found elevated particulate matter concentrations.

The American Society for heating refrigerating and air
conditioning engineers is not recommending a ventilation standard or
air purifier for removing secondhand smoke since they have
studied drifting secondhand smoke for years (ASHARE 2005).
Ventilation cannot remove smoke from air. It may remove smell of smoke
but not the dangersof SHS.

The entire study text:
http://www.bioline.org.br/pdf?st15007

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Maggie