On 5/31/2016 12:08 AM, westom wrote:
On Monday, May 30, 2016 at 8:59:10 PM UTC-4, bud-- wrote:
And from the NIST surge guide:
"Q - Will a surge protector installed at the service entrance be
sufficient for the whole house?

The answer to this question, deleted by westom, is something else westom
ignores.


A promoter posts lies and abuse to protect sales.

The lie repeated for the 4th time?

Perhaps westom could specifically detail a "lie" from me.

Even an NIST guide exposes his fabrications. What he needs you to not read (page 8):
You cannot really suppress a surge altogether, nor "arrest" it.
What these protective devices do is neither suppress nor arrest
a surge, but simply divert it to ground, where it can do no harm.

What does the NIST surge guide actually say about plug-in protectors?
- they are "the easiest solution"?
- "One effective solution is to have the consumer install" a multiport
plug-in protector?
- "Plug-in...The easiest of all for anyone to do. The only question is
'Which to choose?'"


A plug-in protector can only 'block' or 'absorb' (arrest) a surge due to no earth ground.

Neither plug-in or service panel protectors work by "blocking" or
"absorbing" a surge.

The operation of plug-in protectors is clearly explained in the IEEE
surge guide (starting page 30). Since it is not primarily by earthing
westom ignores the explanation, just like he ignores everything that
conflicts with his simple-minded beliefs about protection.

The IEEE surge guide says earthing occurs, but it is elsewhere in the
system. I have also explained how that works, but it is all too
complicated for westom.

Then instead of 99.5% protection, one might have increased (99.7%) protection.

Lie repeated for the 3rd time in this thread.
The numbers are for lighting rods and have nothing to do with surge
protectors.

westom is a fan of Josef Goebbels and thinks if you repeat a lie often
enough, people will believe it.


Earth ground defines protection. But his protectors have no earth ground. So he intentionally ignores those paragraphs. From the guide (page 19):
A very important point to keep in mind is that your surge
protector will work by diverting the surges to ground.
The best surge protection in the world can be useless if
grounding is not done properly.

The NIST guide then goes through the options for surge protection.
"#6:
Plug-in
The easiest of all for anyone to do. The only question is 'Which to
choose?' "


A 20,000 amp surge is safely earthed by a 50,000 amp 'whole house' protector.

A relatively minor point, but a 20kA lightning strike does not produce a
20kA surge.
The worst probable scenario, with a 100kA strike, results in 10kA per
service wire. Information source - surge expert at the NIST.
This also has been repeated many times and always ignored by westom.

Bud's job is to obfuscate reality.

The lie repeated for the 5th time? I really don't think the "job" thing
is working.

What I have done is expose westoms misinformation using reliable sources
- the IEEE and NIST and the NIST surge expert.
westom does not say what I have written is wrong. He just ignores it.

So bud demeans - posts insults - hoping that will mask technical lies.

Poor sensitive westom is insulted by reality.
"Reality" was never westom's asset.

And my "lies" come from the IEEE and NIST.
westom's "facts" come from beliefs and hallucinations.

Honesty was never his asset.

"Reality" was never his asset

NIST says why his protector is ineffective.

Both the IEEE and NIST say plug-in protectors are effective.

Still missing - any reliable source that agrees with westom that plug-in
protectors do not work.

And of course, still never seen - answers to simple questions:
- Why do the only 2 detailed examples of protection in the IEEE surge
guide use plug-in protectors?
- Why does the NIST surge guide says plug-in protectors are "the easiest
solution"?
- Why does the NIST surge guide say "One effective solution is to have
the consumer install" a multiport plug-in protector?
- Why does the NIST surge guide say "Plug-in...The easiest of all for
anyone to do. The only question is 'Which to choose?'"
- Why do westom's "companies with integrity" make plug-in protectors?
- Why does "integrity" manufacturer SquareD says "electronic equipment
may need additional protection by installing plug-in [protectors] at the
point of use"?
- Why does the IEEE surge guide explain how plug-in protectors work -
and it is not primarily by earthing?
- Why did the investigation by surge expert find only 35 joules (and
usually far less) at a plug-in protector when the surge was the maximum
that will occur?
- Where is the record of fires westom claims?