On Monday, May 30, 2016 at 11:40:55 AM UTC-4, westom wrote:
On Sunday, May 29, 2016 at 9:59:47 AM UTC-4, bud-- wrote:
Both the IEEE and NIST surge guides say plug-in protectors are effective.

He is paid to promote plug-in protectors. He forgets to mention that responsible sources only recommend plug-in protectors when used in conjunction with what makes hundreds of thousands of joules irrelevant. If not protected by a 'whole house' protector, then plug-in protectors can and have even created house fires. Even with a UL Listing. Plug-in devices supplement what does effective protection: a proper earthing and a 'whole house' protector.


It's not true that the guides only recommend plug-ins together with a
whole house surge protector. Folks can read it and s


Spend $1 per protected appliance for 99.5% to 99.9% of the protection. Then enrich Bud by spending $20 or $85 per every appliance for an additional 0.2% protection.


More bad math. House might have what? 30 appliances. So, I can get a
whole house surge protector installed for $30? And remember you told us
that the typical grounding systems one finds, eg using a utility cold
water or well pipe as a ground is totally inadequate. You said we needed
to have a ground in the foundation, run through the foundation wall??, etc.
Where does one get all that for $30? Just a sanity check on the soundness
of what you post.



He will post insults because he fears you might learn reality. He even lies about who he works for.

Integrity is provided by other manufacturers of responsible and effective protectors. These provide numbers for protection from direct lightning strikes (ie 50,000 amps). They need not post demeaning attacks to promote their product. Near zero protectors are promoted by one whose income is based in lies or by promoting half truths.


Yes and many of those responsible and effective protector manufacturers
also sell plug-ins. Go figure.


An informed homeowner starts by earthing a 'whole house' protector on a low impedance (ie less than 10 foot) connection. Then protection already inside every appliance should not be overwhelmed.

Still waiting for W Tom to describe how that protection inside every
appliance works. Of course he can't because the rest of us here, anyone
who's opened up any typical electronics powered by AC knows that they
typically use MOVs. Yet somehow bigger MOVs inside a plug-in, according
to W Tom can't work. Go figure.