On Thursday, 31 March 2016 22:04:35 UTC+1, Rod Speed wrote:
whisky-dave wrote
Rod Speed wrote
whisky-dave wrote
Rod Speed wrote
whisky-dave wrote
Rod Speed wrote
whisky-dave wrote

So what did you do.

I had to have pros in as I don't own scaffolding and
I doubt I could put it up by myself, otherwise the
scaffolding company wouldn;t be employing 3 people
to do it but would just employ one person wouldn't they ?

Just because its more efficient to have 3 people do it when
you are doing it professionally doesn't mean that you can't
do it yourself when you don't care about how long it takes.

Yes I know, but I didn't have the tools to do it

Cost a lot less to buy them than to pay someone else to do it all.

No it doesn't

Corse it does with scaffolding. You need **** all
tools, just a spanner or a ratchet handle and socket.

But you also need the scafolding and the ladders don't you.
These don't normally grow on trees or appear out of thin air.

That was discussing your stupid claims
about the number of men and tools.

What stupid claims, that you sometimes need two people when doing contruction type jobs.....
I wonder why they employed more than one person to build the pyramids,
seems strange doesn't it.


If you buy the scaffolding and ladders used and flog them
once the job is done, that costs you nothing except your time.

Time is money for most, do you buy the lorry to transport them too.
Starnge that the majority of building contractors don;t use the method you suggest I wonder why.



othertwise the roofing contractors would have their own scaffolders

They don't because of the law on qualifications and
because it matters how long the scaffolding takes to
erect. None of which appys when you are DIYing it.

yes it does

No it doesn't.

of course it does you moron, just with anythimg else you say you bake you're own bread, I bet you don't make mthe flour yourself.



because if it takes me longer to erect scaffolding on my own
than in does with 3 people doing it why doesn;t it matter?

Because you will just be veging out in front of the TV
or down the pub if you weren't doing the scaffolding.

Or making far more money that some clueess person trying to work out which way up the grain is on a door.



But you really believe it would be cheaper for me to buy
or hire a scaffild lorry leant how to drive it (HGV I believe)

That isnt how you DIY scaffolding.

So how do you DIY scaffolding ?

Just put it together using nothing more than a ladder and a spanner.

Then why do we have componies specialsing in doing that for you if it's more efficient to DIY.
For the same reason we buy loaves of bread in supermarkets.
For the same reason most buy bikes cars boats while other build them.




When I built my house from scratch on a bare block
of land, I used free used 44 gallon drums with planks
on for the block laying of the walls.

Not allowed to do that in teh UK thre's regulations.

Bull**** you aren't. And it is trivially easy to weld up some
square frames out of 25mm RHS instead of the drums too.

we have building regulations here in teh UK.



Once the walls were done and I need to DIY the roof, I welded
up a 6x4' frame out of 25mm RHS which has my circular saw
in a DIY cutoff saw that I use for cutting RHS and timber. That
has another 4x4' 25mm RHS frame that slots in above the
cutoff saw with the saw inside that. There are a couple of
wooden platforms that drop onto the top of the RHS frames
and the whole thing has wheels at just one end. That runs
around on the concrete slab that comprises the entire floor
for the entire single level house and around the outside of
the house so you can stand on that to do the barge boards
and eaves and gutters etc.

Why can't you afford to get someone iun to do it ?

I could but wasn't stupid enough to do that.

Why do most of these jobs require 2+ people.

Very few of them do.

With the ****ing great lengths of 5x3x0.5" RHS that
run the entire 100' length of the N and S sides of the
house, and which sit on the vertical 4x2" RHS posts
that are on either side of the 13 8'x8' patio doors,
I used a sheer legs made from 3 lengths of 4"x4"x10'
timber and a boat winch. Did that entirely alone.

God created heaven and the Earth in six days all on his own.
if he'd had some help he could have got it done in less time.



The 5x3x0.5" RHS tops of the walls are that thick
because that was all I could get at the time in 5x3"
RHS due to steel shortage.

What you couldn;t make you're own steel and cut it to the lengh you want,
not very DIY is it.


With the galvanised sheet metal I beams that are
welded to those 5x3x0.5" rails on the tops of the
walls all you have to do is lift one end off the
ground onto the 5x3x0.5" rail and then go to
the other end and push the I beam up until it
overbalances and then run it across onto the
5x3x0.5" rail on the other side of the house
and then weld it on. Trivially easy to do alone.

Yep and some surgeons could aneathatise their own patients too,
and they could wipe their arse for them.....

So in most jobs we use grunts for heavy lifting or those that
have more developed muscles in their bodies than their brain.



than pay for people already skilled in those areas.

I did that with some stuff. When I asked the plant hire place
what was the best way to clear the block initially, she said
that the best thing to use was a full road grader. She was
right, the ****ing thing was almost half as long as the
entire block of land but a couple of passes over the block
and it was all done. Cost me peanuts because it was so quick.

So you hired the professnal tool rather than build one yourself.

Just for that where it made sense to do that.

Most people do that most of the time, it the reason most of us aren't all out planting wheat in fields so we can bake own own beard, we have a more evolved and productive life cycle than you do.