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On Mon, 07 Mar 2016 14:45:23 -0000, trader_4 wrote:

On Sunday, March 6, 2016 at 6:18:03 PM UTC-5, Mr Macaw wrote:

Out tea kettles are generally 120 volt and 1500 watts, +/- and can
heat a cup of water for tea in about 45 seconds to 2 minutes.


So if more than one of you wants a cup, or you want a large mug of coffee, you have to wait 5 minutes? That is unacceptable.


It doesn't take 5 mins to do a cup at 120V. I can do a liter in a little
more than that.


According to the laws of physics, 10C water to boiling with a 1500W heating element is 4 minutes 12 seconds.

I'm thinking of say three people having a mug of coffee. That seems to take far too long even with a 3000W kettle. But then I get annoyed waiting for a microwave oven to cook my food.... I think the problem lies with computers getting faster and faster, but the rest of life doesn't.

If you really want it fast, we have instant hot water dispensers that you can install under the sink.


Or just use the hot tap on the sink, from your gas boiler.

They have a tank, ~ 1/2 gal, that is constantly hot. I stated previously that I agree having 240V
for that would be nice, it would cut down the time. But I think you're
way over doing how important it is.


I'm very impatient. To see this for yourself, try driving in front of me.

Heating a quart takes a bit longer - and some heat faster than others.
What about an iron? A portable fan-heater or convector heater? There are
loads of appliances which need a lot of power that you may wish to move
about.

Portable heaters generally run 1500 watts on high, and 750 or 850 on
low. Irons are generally 1200 watts. They do not heat up immediately,
but mabee the "colonials" have a bit more patience then folks from
"the old country"


Good enough to maintain a room temperature, but useless for heating one up in under a decade, or drying out something very wet.


Please. It doesn't take a decade to heat up a room.


It does. I'd say 3kW is a reasonable amount of power to heat a medium sized room.

Also, as pointed
out previously, few people use them that way. We mostly have central
heat. Some people, not many thought, use them to supplement that in one
room, so they can keep the rest of the house set lower.


Do you not have thermostatic radiator valves? Or more room stats with zoned valves?

If we're not in the middle of nowhere, heating, hot water, and cooking is
done by gas (it's 3 times cheaper), so we don't use that much electricity.
Showers, washing machines, and dishwashers tend to heat their own water, so
those and a tumble dryer (our weather is very damp) are about the only
things that wil use much.

Here we don't generally use "widow-maker" showers


I had to look that up, and got this image:
https://theuntilmatters.files.wordpr...dow-maker2.jpg

Although ours don't look like that, those ones are cheap **** you get on campsites, ours do heat the water with electricity, in a box on the wall. Why would you think that was dangerous?


I agree with that part. I assumed what you meant was an on demand,
point-of-use type water heater. They are safe, as long as they are
correctly installed.


Yes, our showers are, but they're more substantial, like this: http://www.mirashowers.co.uk/onlinec...tric%20showers

And current code requires several 20 amp circuits for the kitchen.


Now you see that's convenience not safety.


It's both. Unless you think having an electric fryer, electric kettle,
etc on cords running God knows where, that can be tripped over,


Not along the worktop they can't. And I look where I'm going anyway. When did the whole world become blind?

run to
a non-GFCI outlet, etc is safe. And "convenience" is a stretch. I'd
say it's "functionality" and safety.


Odd, the whole house has GFCI here. Except mine, I can't be bothered with that ****, I have the original fusebox installed in 1979. It works. It never trips and annoys me. I'd rather say ouch than have to go and reset it.

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