T i m wrote
Blanco wrote
charles wrote
Chris French wrote
T i m wrote
charles wrote
DJC wrote
T i m wrote

Is it only me who would be happy with 'Clockwise' or
'Anticlockwise' on roads leading onto the likes of the M25? I may
be very aware that I need to go clockwise but don't know if I want
Heathrow or Luton, when neither are on the M25! ;-(

Me too, I just don't know which junction number is which. I have
driven London to Newbury often enough to know where M4 J13 is,
but that's about it. The general problem is that if you don't have
some
idea both where you are and where the places mentioned on signposts
are, relative to each other and where you are, then said signposts
can be very unhelpful.

Actually, Heathrow Terminal 5 has its own junction on the M25. (14a)

Ah, ok, then that makes a bit more sense then when joining
the M25 from the A3 (J10?) and trying to go clockwise.

But why 'Heathrow'? Why not 'Clockwise' as at least clock or anticlock
are universal no matter where you join the M25 (or the Nth Circ or any
other ring road) and from the inside or outside?

Maybe they could signpost clearly the current junction number on the
way in as one thing most people may know is the junction number they
intend leaving the motorway at? If it's higher than the one you are
entering on you want to go clockwise (as long as you know where the
thing starts and stops I guess). ;-)

Thus speaks someone who lives to the west of the M25 :-) That doesn't
work so well if if you are joining on the east, nearer the start/end
of
the M25. If I join at junc 27 (m11) and I want to go to j3 (m20) then
i
don't want to go anticlockwise.

Of course, you could always look at a map before you start out.

Makes a lot more sense to use the satnav in the phone.

Ok? Not for me walking, cycling or on a motorbike
in the rain it wouldn't [1]. Or on a boat

It would if you had enough of a clue to use a proper
headset and voice commands and a waterproof case.

or if I want to use my phone at the same
time as looking at my routing screen ...

Works fine on the phone.

or when my wife wants to use my
(contract) phone whilst I'm driving.

Most have enough of a clue to have an appropriate
phone and plan for each person and at most swap
phones on the odd occasion where that makes sense.

I have a smartphone, I have access to Google Maps and
the Navmii GPS app, I prefer to use a dedicated GPS.

Because you don't even have half a clue.

Same with the map book, A-Zs and paper maps.

That way you can be sure its always up to date

Updated, not necessarily up_to_date,

Fraid so. In spades with stuff like road works etc.

or any more up_to_date than a dedicated
GPS with free lifetime map updates.

Wrong again. Google gets updated MUCH
more often that any dedicated GPS ever is.

And not that in the 10+ years of using a dedicated GPS (and
sometimes with fairly old maps) I've never made it to my destination?

But with more farting around than is needed if you had
used a system which is updated much more often and
which has real time measured traffic congestion data too.

and will be routed around big traffic
snarls due to crashes etc too.

As would I using my dedicated GPS?

Not as often.

And lets not try claiming that you would pay more for the
data when using a smartphone than a dedicated GPS either.
The dedicated GPS will cost a lot more to buy than you will
ever spend on data for navigating using a smartphone unless
you are completely stupid about who you pay for data.

Cheers, T i m

[1] I bought a second hand 6 month old smartphone off the Internet
and two days later it died. I sent it back to the original owner to in
turn took it back to the shop who sent it off for testing. It came back
saying it had suffered some water damage (not in my care it hadn't).

And someone with even half a clue can put it in a
waterproof case if they actually use it in that situation.

I don't bother myself because I have enough of a clue to
leave it in my pocket when its raining and use a decent
headset even when it isnt raining because that is a lot more
convenient when walking or riding a bike or in a boat.

The more worrying thing were the exclusions from liability from
damage from moisture and the potential causes of moisture damage
(outside not dropping your phone in a puddle or down the bog).

All trivially avoided by using a waterproof
case if you actually are that clumsy.

Do not use your phone whilst cooking in a steamy environment.

Works fine.

Do not use your phone whilst exercising.

Works fine.

Do not use your phone in the rain.

Works fine if you have enough of a clue to have a
waterproof case if you are actually stupid enough
to 'live' somewhere where it rains all the time.

So, do I want to risk +400 quids worth of
phone or 80 quids worth of dedicated GPS ...

No risk whatever if you have enough of a
clue to use a waterproof case for MUCH
less than what the dedicated GPS costs you.

that does all I want

What you want is irrelevant to what others want.

better than any phone could?

You're lying thru your teeth now.

Getting desperate, obviously.