On 1/19/2016 2:59 PM, (PeteCresswell) wrote:
Per Unquestionably Confused:
That would/might apply to Dassey(Sp?) but hardly to Avery who continued
to maintain he was innocent.

Yes, I would agree. Although Avery's IQ is also supposed to be about
70 also, his thinking seems much clearer.

If you take the entire Avery family and look at it two things are
apparent 1) The only time you'll get a full set of teeth is if they
pose for a family portrait and 2) the average IQ probably falls south of
the mean summer temperature in that part of Wisconsin.

That said, there is a difference between IQ and innate animal cunning.



Both the prosecution and the defense had an opportunity to make their
case in front of a jury. Only the jury got to see everything that both
sides had. They saw it and they convicted. That counts for a great
deal in our system of justice.

Did you see epi 10?.... My takeaway was that the jury was mostly in
favor of acquittal except for three very stubborn members who had their
minds made up on Day 1.... and those 3 wore down the rest....

I saw it but... if the source of that "box score" was the juror who was
excused, I think I'll call bulls**t on that. Number 1, he was only
privy to about 4 hours of deliberation before he bugged out. Number 2,
it makes no sense that three could lock up the jury and make them come
over to the guilty side if nine were in favor of acquittal. I've seen
it go the other way. One or two will dig in and hold out for acquittal
and you wind up with a deadlocked jury and a mistrial. For that premise
to be true you'd have to agree that nine people thought him "innocent"
and didn't have the stones to hold their ground and allowed three others
to "force" them into voting guilty.


If I got that part right, then I have to wonder if it was, perhaps, a
combination of fatigue, wanting to go home, needing to get back to
work, and some gut feeling about Avery rather than a rational decision
based on the two sides' arguments.

Disagree. I can see the proponents of a not guilty swarming and
overcoming one or two jurors and having them give in and say "aw, what
the hell, let him walk" more easily than what we see here.


Did you watch the interview with his 1st girlfriend?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTz673OMTF0

Either she's some sort of psycho or Avery is a real-live Jekyll/Hyde
character. I'd kind of like to her what her IQ is.... in fact, my
morbid interest would extend to knowing if the whole bunch had
room-temperature IQs and not just Avery and Dassey.

I think the only non-mouth breather in the entire show (other than the
cops and lawyers, etc) was the victim, Teresa.