On Wed, 18 Nov 2015 16:22:39 -0500, wrote:

Clare, do you think this will stop this thread? It seems to have a
dysfunctional life of its own.

Won't stop the thread (likely) but at least it gets all the facts in
one place and in a more-or-less organized fashion.

There will still be know-it-all know-nothings that will argue the
point - - - -

And the thread drifted away from the original question that I posted and
was answered a week ago.....
But this is usenet and things rarely run smoothly....