On Thursday, October 22, 2015 at 8:23:16 AM UTC-4, trader_4 wrote:
The forum here has many posts over the years that say you're
the village idiot. So, I guess that must be true too.

A person without civility and plenty of childish emotions will post insults.. He was previously exposed lying. He is vindictive. So he posts personal attacks with his technical lies. He even quoted a few sentences, out of context, to misrepresent what professionals have known for over 100 years.

For example, Martzloff defines an "easiest solution". trader_4 then ignores Martzloff's point. That "easiest solution" can even make appliance damage easier - especially when a 'whole house' solution is not implemented.

He misrepresents what an IEEE brochure shows in Figure 8 page 33. A surge protector (without the always required earth ground) can earth a surge destructively through any adjacent appliance. It need not even be connected to that plug-in protector. Any other nearby appliance can become a victim when one foolishly uses a plug-in (point of connection) protector without properly earthing a 'whole house' protector.

More facts that trader_4 would have learned if an adult. A surge is incoming to all equipment. Is everything damaged? Of course not. Once all but invited inside, a surge is hunting for earth ground destructively via everything. Only some appliances make a better connection. In figure 8, that is TV2. Protector is too close to appliances and too far from earth ground. A plug-in protector earths surges destructively through any nearby appliance. In figure 8, that is 8000 volts destructively via TV2. So TV2 protected TV1. Could they make it any more obvious?

Of course, that was explained to a spiteful trader_4 multiple times. He ignores well proven science to denigrate. It is what a child does.

BTW, what is often damaged? Not an incoming path (ie AC electric). Damage often is found on the outgoing path such as an HDMI port, ethernet, telephone line, USB port, coax cable port, satellite dish connection, invisible dog fence, etc. The naive will assume a surge was incoming on a phone or cable wire. A conclusion from observation without first learning well proven science. Incoming on AC mains. Damage on the outgoing connection to earth.

Never earth the victim (appliance or HVAC equipment). Earth the surge.

Protection means earthing BEFORE a surge can enter a building. Once inside, a surge will hunt for destructive paths to earth via appliances and other equipment. "Easiest solution" (an adjacent protector) does not even claim to protect from surges that destructively hunt for earth. Why is this tens of times more expensive solution recommended?

Plug-in protectors only protect from near zero surges that are small overvoltages between two wires. It does not avert and may make easier damage by destructive surges - that hunt for earth ground.

As predicted and as he does every time - trader_4 ignores another problem with undersized plug-in (point of connection) protectors: 'fire'. What happens when a near zero protector foolishly tried to block or absorb a destructive surge - hundreds of thousands of joules? In rare cases, house fires occur. UL1449 was created because fires happened in undersized plug-in protectors. UL1449 has been upgraded three times - and still fires happen. Just another reason why informed homeowners earth a 'whole house' protector - to avert fires created by plug-in (point of connection) protectors.

trader_4 even ignores a recent APC recall of millions of their plug-in protectors due to that fire problem. Informed consumers earth one 'whole house' protector because his 'easiest solution' is also a fire threat.

trader_4 always ignores the AT&T report that says how plug-in protectors can even make damage easier. It says:
Grounding is required to provide the surge
protector with a path to dump the excess energy
to earth. A proper ground system is a mandatory
requirement of surge protection. Without a proper
ground, a surge protector has no way to disburse
the excess energy and will fail to protect
downstream equipment.

Not only does he intentionally misrepresent IEEE's Figure 8 on page 33 (Adobe page 42). He also ignores what surge protectors must do:
2.2 Surge Protective Device Ratings
There are three requirements of the service entrance SPD.
They are as follows:
1) To suppress the larger surges from the outside
environment to levels that would not be damaging to
equipment at the service entrance, or to equipment (air
conditioning, wired-in appliances) directly connected to
the branch circuits.
2) To reduce the surge current to the downstream SPDs
(including multiport SPDs).
3) To stop the large lightning currents from passing into
the house wiring system and damaging the wiring or inducing
large voltages that would damage electronic equipment.

Point 1 - a 'whole house' protector protects HVAC equipment.
Point 2 - 'whole house' protector required to protect plug-in protectors.
Point 3 - that protector needed to protect all household appliances.

Page 22 (Adobe page 31)
2.3.1 Grounding
An effective, low-impedance ground path is critical for the
successful operation of an SPD. ... Therefore, an evaluation
of the service entrance grounding system at the time of the
SPD installation is very important.

IEEE brochures says earthing a 'whole house' protector is essential, says why, and even says how. The engineer said that repeatedly. An acidic trader_4 denies it.

2.3.2 Lead Length
To achieve optimum overvoltage protection, the connecting
leads between the SPDs and the panel or protected
equipment should be as short as possible and without
sharp 90-degree bends. ... For fast-rising lightning
pulses, the inductance of these leads produces large
voltage drops.

Only an engineer who actually did this stuff constantly refers to that always required low impedance (ie less than 10 foot) connection to single point earth ground.

trader_4 intentionally chooses to ignore well proven science. A protector is only as effective as its earth ground. Protection is always about how and where hundreds of thousands of joules are harmlessly absorbed outside in earth. Every layer of protection (so called 'tier') is only defined by that earth ground. (Ignoring earth ground can create more teats.) Plug-in protector does not have and will not even discuss earth ground. Anyone can read near zero joules in plug-in protector specifications that explains unacceptable catastrophic failures and even fire.

A bitter adult acting like a child denies this repeatedly. A properly earthed 'whole house' protector is essential for protecting HVAC equipment.