On 10/17/2015 5:54 PM, Vic Smith wrote:
On Sat, 17 Oct 2015 15:59:25 -0700, Don Y
wrote:

On 10/17/2015 3:30 PM, Vic Smith wrote:

If MS does anything illegal, I'm sure the feds will jump on them.
There are plenty of people "spying" on MS too.

I don't think the issue is MS breaking the law. Rather, I think
Mayayana is lamenting the lack of concern folks have for personal
privacy.

Well, I'm not concerned beyond what I can reasonably control.

This is the key point: ---------------------^^^^^^^^^^
How far do you go in screwing up your lifestyle just for the
sake of *claiming* you've protected your privacy?

And most people are aware of these "privacy issues."

I don't think most people give serious thought to them.
I think they are busy with things that they *think* are "more
important" (and, which *may* well be -- to them!)

I have a buddy who was obsessive about privacy. One day,
I saw him clean shaven (had previously been ZZTop-ish)
and couldn't help but comment on the DRAMATIC change!

"I had to go get a new photo for my driver's license."
"And they made you shave off your beard??"
"No. I just wanted to make sure the photo on my DL didn't
*look* like me -- and, I want to have a beard (normally)"

shrug

Does he think that folks couldn't imagine/pencil-in a beard
on his clean shaven face in the photo??

Mayanaya presumes everybody who uses Win10 is a dope.
Anyway, that's my impression. Could be wrong.

Dunno. Only he (?) can comment on that.

[BinL's "indiscretions"]

Likewise, his facebook page, etc.

Technically, no evidence of any *laws* being broken. But, I can assure
you, he wasn't happy that this information was "available" to others!

Uh, his wife. And he should have known that.
You can't cure stupid.

Friend with the beard (above) once was talking about some case
where he was trying to preserve his anonymity. I commented:
"But, you called their 800 number, right?"
"Yeah, so?"
"So, don't you think they KNOW the phone number of all callers?
Even if that is belatedly after-the-fact?"

Anyway, I'm not pro or anti MS. It just IS.
You apparently don't like MS.

As I said upthread, I don't see the alarm in complaining that MS is doing
something that others figured out LONG BEFORE MS!

Of course.
And there's a difference here. MS doesn't have my SSN or any other
critical information.

They don't explicitly have that information. But, that doesnt
mean they can't "accidentally" harvest it in the process of
snooping on other transactions that you undertake during the
normal use of your computer.

E.g., it's simple for spyware to watch for "Password:" and gobble
up any text that you type into that "text box" -- especially if
the text box is set not to echo characters, etc.

They have my IP address.
I've probably done a thousand online CC transactions over the years,
and not been burned once.

SWMBO uses her CC's extensively. She is *routinely* receiving replacement
cards in the mail. Of course, the CC company never tells her *where* the
breach occurred so she has no way of trimming those vendors from her
use.

Of course others haven't been so "lucky."
OTOH, Amazon, Newegg, Home Depot et al have my CC number.
An unethical person with one of those firms can pull a credit report
and get my SSN. Whatareyougonnado?

A "friend" who worked at one of the local banks went snooping into a family
member's account. Of course, bank manager claimed this wasn't possible
(really? then how did this information -- balance, etc. -- get into
that party's hands?). Not worth the time to pursue legal remedies.
Instead, close the (sizeable) account and let the bank manager decide
how "happy" he wants to be with the consequences of this employee's
actions!

You can have no credit and only deal in cash. But a camera will track
you in that 7-11 and see you buying a Hustler magazine.
Did you see the 1980 flick "Atlantic City" staring Burt Lancaster?
He was an over-the-hill hoodlum who dealt in cash only. He was in the
process of going on the lam with a young woman, and she said something
like this:
"They can track us."
"Nah. don't worry about it."
"They'll track us by your credit card number."
"Nah, I don't have a credit card."
"Then they'll track us by your social security number."
"Nah. I don't have a social security number."
Only time I really felt jealousy watching a movie.
Probably had just done my taxes.